March 25, 2009 | Posted by Abu Muqawama - 7:53am |
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I just read in the newspaper that
a fourth Oakland police officer has died after being taken off of life support. A reader from California wrote in a few days back to ask whether or not any principles of COIN might be applied to mend the rift between the population and the "security forces" in the East Bay. Thoughts from the readership?
"Blame Whitey. The moment you People start blaming yourselves is the moment you'll Rise, until that time You'll always be the Victim.
Other races faced the same kind of Racism throughout California--the Japanese, the Chinese, the Arabs, the Mexicans, the Filipinos, South/Central Americans, the Indians, etc.--they're not pimping, selling crack or listening to Too Short
**I belive I am filching from "Modern Times" here, but don't quote me***
I use quote marks because I maintain different races don't exist.
Which is not the same as "racism".
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People would be wise to heed SNLII on not militarizing,
Intersting comment about impact of slavery on black male role models.
Another take, which also has implications re the white vs. black murder rates, is the impact of Southern Culture. See Michael Lind's piece here:
http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/1999/civil_war_by_other_means
His point is that the South has always been more
YUou have seen the Eddie Izzard skit on this? I can't get to Youtube at work, but it is good and you would agree with him. Look for "Do You Have A Flag?"
Though perhaps evidence of other problems (such as with the parole system), it is hard to see how this spate of shootings points to a rift between police and the rest of society in the East Bay. Indeed, given the widespread (though not universal) condemnation of the shooter, Mixton, it perhaps shows the limits to such a rift.
A city of 400,000 people, Oakland has struggled with high crime and homicide rates. Its most recent police chief, Wayne Tucker, retired in January after coming under criticism for his handling of the
With all due respect, is there such a "rift" in the East Bay in the first place? If so, what is
HAMAS seems perfectly willing to co-opt aid, as well...
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2009-02-04-gaza-aid_N.htm
again, if you have the guns, you only need to have the organic capabilities you can't obtain from outside
Why would gangs NEED to develop services provision if the government does it for them? They can co-opt those services at little cost to themselves
It's not the Bloods or the Crips, nor the Mexican Mafia or the Aryan Brotherhood, but MS 13 and 18 Street. Instead of strict heirarchical organizations, you're getting leaderless movements. And whether conscious or not, they are
Yes, yes, some criminologists have sought to force bad comparisons between US street gangs and Hizbollah in order to get funding or impress their colleagues.
And, true, some COINdinistas have thought that it's just a swell idea to continue militarizing all aspects of domestic society by important (mostly failed) anti-insurgent
the noble gangster ala training day
Talk about canards. Gangs protect businesses informally. Why? Because their own families use the services. You can't have violence, intimidation or crime inside the very businesses upon which people rely.
Same also with those providing social services.
Why are you citing the existence of social programs as evidence the government doesn't have legitimacy issues? It seems it would indicate the exact opposite, that the
(Reasons for joining Gangs)
Fear, Honor and Interest
(Reasons for waging Wars)
Being a part-time scofflaw doesn't mean that you're an insurgent against a state, nor that you're actively using violence to make political points or influence the foreign policy of a rival nation.
The tools we use to combat one are NOT the same we should
If we're serious about tackling crime, we might wish to consider not the enhancement or the better scrutinizing of HUD vouchers and housing projects, but rather the wholesale dismantling of HUD."
OK, but I hit back by dropping some Thucydides: Fear, Honor and Interest.
Gangs go to war for the same reasons that states go to war.
But a gang isn't really important until it gets a flag.
This was a failure of governance. If we buy Hammes's "outgovern, not outfight", then it was also a counterinsurgency failure. When we fail to conclusively demonstrate that we can govern neighborhoods more effectively than criminals, drug dealers, and gangs, we fail as counterinsurgency.
The truth is, we are already mired in counterinsurgency here at
We also need to parse terms. Hope 6, et al, was sold as a "progressive" effort. It wasn't all that "progressive," and really relied on the traditional construction lobby to sell it to Congress.
If we're serious about tackling crime, we might wish to consider not the enhancement or the better scrutinizing of HUD
This phenomenon is very well known. In my small gang, we call them "time bombs." Plant them with a Section 8 voucher and watch them go off.
The
Money, Power & Respect
Why do people go to
I agree that the question of why youth join gangs deserves attention, and I understand that the police can't really intervene there. But the actions of the police have an effect on the community's willingness to harbor the gang presence. Ideally, we would like to reach a point where the community can handle its delinquent youth with a minimum of police intervention.
The
Not so much with the current mayor.
If we want to really discuss what's driving much of this is the Weed & Seed (failure) program of the previous generation.
The notion is the same -- unite cops with social services.
The problem has been not so much the cops, but the availability (at least with weed
Are you seriously suggesting that RAMPART is the model upon which American cops fight crime? Really?
First of all, "RAMPART" as it is technically concerned means a patrol district. Rampart Division is the name of the LAPD branch that patrols the zone.
What you mean to say is the CRASH program. CRASH (Community
1) When I talk about "evolution", I do not necessarily use that term in a teleological sense. Each form of COIN must be adapted for its own environment.
2) SNLII, I think I understand why you are worried about domestic COIN, but your objections appear to be almost purely tactical in nature. I agree that the tactics must adjust, but the operational
I would contest that - when it comes to gangs it has been a paramilitary
It's Brown and Whites--the new American dichotomy.
Then you suggest that these very same notions borrowed from the civilian world are what is needed in law enforcement, and that rather than "militarizing"
I'm not talking about posse comitatus, I've talking about transferring military knowledge about NON-KINETIC tactics to police who need to know them. There's quite a few
The author even used as a casestudy the RUC in Northern Ireland (or Ulster, take your pick).
His exact words:
"Cooperation with local police, using the example of the British military's relationship with the Royal Ulster Constabulary during the counter-insurgency operations in Northern
How do I know this? Because they don't have a flag. Under SNLII's Law of Insurgency, you can't be an insurgent band until you sew a banner.
A blue Crips' bandana does NOT count as a flag.
The
As for the Indigenous of America, do you see them selling crack, pimping underaged girls? Is there an Indian Too Short? Is there an Indian Flava Flav? Nuff said.
2. I'm talking about the ability of Fresh Off the Boat immigrants, with very little education, no command of the English language, many times without family support, to
"Blame Whitey. The moment you People start blaming yourselves is the moment you'll Rise, until that time You'll always be the Victim.
Other races faced the same kind of Racism throughout California--the Japanese, the Chinese, the Arabs, the Mexicans, the Filipinos, South/Central Americans, the Indians, etc.--they're not pimping, selling crack or listening to Too
Other races faced the same kind of Racism throughout California--the Japanese, the Chinese, the Arabs, the Mexicans, the Filipinos, South/Central Americans, the Indians, etc.--they're not pimping, selling crack or listening to Too Short, they're buying
2nd in response to the person that said violence in black neighborhoods has nothing to do with whites, let me give you a little history on Oakland.
Blacks first started coming to
Frankly, it scares me."
This is certainly true, and definitely scary.
Aside from the well-known, controversial (hopefully no longer ongoing?) DoD "
"Sadly, positive male role models in the black community are all too often just absent."
Some thought has been given to this re: social patterns of slave and former slave societies worldwide. Basically, in situations where a society has evolved in an environment that does not reward investment by men in their offspring, men will simply not invest in the raising of
I would guess its' use would be fairly harmless, though cartoonish, if used solely In Cathedra, among adherents.
But am I the only one that sees potential
So a War on Drugs that maintains an illegal market as an outlet for desperate youth who then pursue a life of crime and violence for peanuts has nothing to do with the African-American murder rate?
I also suppose that cops who view residents as the enemy don't contribute to a distrustful environment that allows murderers to roam within the communities without fear
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