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Grading Hizballah in 2006 (against the curve)

My schedule is packed with meetings today, so posting will be light, but this beat out Iranian rocket tests for the lead story in yesterday's Jerusalem Post:

During his research for the article, titled "How the Arabs are preparing for the next war," Sandman asked 24 senior IDF officers to grade the army and Hizbullah in 10 categories, on a scale of 1 to 10.

 

While the IDF enjoys superior technology, the scorecard revealed that the army performed poorly in gathering intelligence on Hizbullah, did not command its troops effectively during the monthlong war and lacked motivation to win.

 

In intelligence, Hizbullah received a 7 and the IDF a 6; in military doctrine and strategy Hizbullah received a 9 and the IDF a 5; In technology, the IDF received a 9 and Hizbullah a 5; in training and organization, Hizbullah received a 8 and the IDF 7, and in tactical command Hizbullah received a 8 and the IDF a 6.

 

The 24 officers also ruled that Hizbullah had greater motivation to win than the IDF. Hizbullah received a score of 8 in the motivation category, while the IDF scored only 4.

Lebanon, Israel, Hizballah

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Wow! The IDF only scored a 4

Wow! The IDF only scored a 4 in motivation. Why has the IDF lost its secret sauce? If the Israelis have lost their secret sauce, is Israel a less useful ally for America? Should America diversify its alliances to other powers in lieu of Israel because other countries would prove more valuable allies? Some that America might consider anchoring its middle east policy around:
-New GoI
-Iran if Obama's outreach works
-Hezbollah if Obama's outreach to Iran works
-Lebanon
-Turkey

I have seen recent studies indicating that Israel's education system performance is slipping too. What is up with Israel?

anan: You might want to

anan: You might want to examine the demographics of orthodox vs. secular Israelis, as well as the new underclass of russians. ALso, the percentage of religious folks in uniform may have something to do with it?

In the meantime, Lieberman is being his usual charming self. http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1254163540431&pagename=JPost%...

in military doctrine and

in military doctrine and strategy Hizbullah received a 9 and the IDF a 5
in training and organization, Hizbullah received a 8 and the IDF 7

Surely this renders their opinions worthless.
Who anywhere believes that Hezbollah's strategy was basically perfect ? What was it, the weather that prevented them completely routing the Israeli invasion, protecting the state from widespread degradation, then pushing back with their own counter-invasion of Israel to carry out their stated military objectives ?
Likewise, what's the scale of training look like on the worldwide stage ? You've got your SAS/SEAL schools delivering in all manner of disciplines, then WhateverTF this non-armored, non-air supported, non-navy-deployed, non-artillery-fielding guerrilla army has got going on, then the rest of the planet's forces on various rungs below that ?
All I read here is senior IDF officers are not capable of objective assessments in enemy capabilities in engagements in which they performed.

This'll be an interesting

This'll be an interesting read once it's available, George Packer on Holbrooke...
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/009538.html

Kilo, you are comparing

Kilo, you are comparing apples and oranges. The questions were not general but specific to one war and specific objectives. Hizballahs objective was to stop an invasion and they did that with a strategy that worked better than they expected. You think the invasion was not completely routed? Maybe, but the fact remains that at the end of the longest war in Israels history, they held on to a few square kilometeres of land and had complete control of no towns at all.
Protecting the state from air attack and a counter-invasion were not part of their stated military objectives (although I would watch carefull the next time Israel steps across the border.

Likewise the training. The question is training for that particular war. The SAS/SEAL schools deliver all manner of disciplines because their training is not based on defending one border with one known enemy. Saying that, I think you'd be surprised how multi-disciplined Hizbs trainig is.

And, out of interest, what is your assesment based on? Were you in South Lebanon in 06 or are you basing your assesments on what you saw on tv or read on the web. I can assure you, no website or tv station has even come close to describing what was happening on the ground that summer.

Comment by mo on September

Comment by mo on September 30, 2009 - 7:05am
"Kilo, you are comparing apples and oranges."

Why wouldn't I ? We're talking about a nation state with a modern military going to war with the guerrilla group I described in terms of what they don't have. In what sense would it make any to compare them on any other basis ?

"The questions were not general but specific to one war and specific objectives. Hizballahs objective was to stop an invasion and they did that with a strategy that worked better than they expected."

No, they didn't. What invasion or part of it did they prevent ? I'm not aware of this. You might have selected the wrong word and meant "occupation" or "takeover", which you could argue was prevented, but first you'd need to argue it was attempted. The invasion however pretty much wasn't a problem.

You think the invasion was not completely routed? Maybe, but the fact remains that at the end of the longest war in Israels history, they held on to a few square kilometeres of land and had complete control of no towns at all."

Yes I think this and what you've referred to is meaningless. If they'd not been at war since the six day war, would a week be some kind of milestone ? No. In reality, the presence of Israel's forces and duration of their invasion was dictated by nobody but Israelis.

Likewise, who suggested Israel was trying to capture land ? Their actions described what their objectives were and in this they were completely unobstructed. The assets targetted in aerial strikes -- the most overt strategic actions undertaken -- leave little to the imagination as to what the objective was. In this they were completely unimpeded.

"Protecting the state from air attack and a counter-invasion were not part of their stated military objectives (although I would watch carefull the next time Israel steps across the border. "

Huh? So a force which does have AA defenses which didn't protect it's state from an aerial campaign which decimated its infrastructure gets credit for not having a strategy in the first place ? That not just nonsensical, it's insane.

I've got a question. How didn't al Qaeda defeat the US in 2002 ?
They didn't have a strategy for not being completely arse-raped out of country and almost existance by failing to counter any and all military doctrines known to man. They didn't have a strategy for any of it. To be honest, it kind of looked to me like a non-state actor pissing off a nation-state modern military to the point where they were invaded and reaping the results. But I'm open to arguments for how that was a strategic win as long as we credit them with not having any strategy for what they really needed to and having a strategy for something that wasn't attempted.... say suppressing a naval landing.

I'm reminded of Bill

I'm reminded of Bill Belichick's pregame press conferences, when he's asked about his next opponent. "They're a fantastic team," he'll say, "and they'll be a real challenge." Then he'll go on to single out a few of their best players, and some of their key strengths. The thing is, he says the same thing every week, whether he's talking about the Baltimore Ravens or the Detroit Lions.

The survey results are fascinating for a variety of reasons - but they're entirely worthless as a comparative assessment of the IDF and Hezbollah. First, the useful stuff. It's refreshing to see the IDF develop a healthy respect for its northern antagonist. Every review of the IDF's performance in the Second Lebanon War has stressed the ways in which a complacent, somewhat disdainful military establishment failed to assess the magnitude of the challenge or to properly plan or prepare. As the example of Belichick demonstrates, it always pays to overestimate the opposition. The assessments also point to the strengths and weaknesses of each party to the conflict. Hezbollah's lie in its training, motivation, and tactical command; the IDF's include its weaponry, technology, and some areas not covered in the JPost article (which focused on the sensational angle of Hezbollah outperforming the IDF), including tactical intelligence, combined arms operations, and of course, air power and remote targeting. The results are also useful as a reflection of the immense frustration of the IDF's officer corps.

Now, on to the survey's weaknesses. Some of the results are clearly distorted by frustration, including the notion that Hezbollah possessed superior intelligence or strategy. In point of fact, Hezbollah seems to have failed to anticipate the magnitude of the Israeli response it would provoke - a massive failure of both intelligence and strategy. The conflict played out on its own territory, which certainly aided its operational intelligence, but there was little indication that Hezbollah was able to track or target forces across the border - while the IDF was far more successful in accomplishing that. Does anyone really think that Hezbollah does a better job gathering intelligence on Israel, than the other way around? As for strategy, I think the post below this one nicely illustrates the broader strategic incoherence confronting Hezbollah. Then there's the question of motivation. As an assessment of 2006, the results seem fair. But that's because the IDF was invading as a temporary, suppressive measure, and Hezbollah's fighters were defending their native land. Flip that around; imagine a Hezbollah invasion of northern Israel, and the motivation problem suddenly disappears. (And if you can't imagine a Hezbollah invasion? Well, then you can safely discard the notion of Hezbollah's superiority.)

Hezbollah, after all, remains somewhere between a non-state militant organization and a full-fledged state military. It can't hold territory against the IDF, nor can it push the IDF off ground it wishes to seize. On the other hand, it excels at denying the IDF full control of the territory it takes, and at launching remote attacks despite suppressive fire. That's an impressive accomplishment, but it ain't parity by a longshot, much less superiority.

The survey results speak well of the IDF's prospects. The IDF, by most accounts, overestimated Hamas' capabilities in advance of Cast Lead, and overplanned for the assault. In consequence, the operation went remarkably smoothly. If it had done the same in 2006, the results might have been equally different on that front. So it's fair to use this survey as a gauge of the officer corps' frustration (high) and of its resolve to properly prepare for future conflicts (also high). But to suggest that Hezbollah is - in any of these categories - superior to the IDF? I don't think so.

"he says the same thing

"he says the same thing every week, whether he's talking about the Baltimore Ravens or the Detroit Lions."

I know so little about the NFL I don't know which one of these is the punchline.
But thanks to digital TV and the need to fill up extra channels with something, Australia now has its first 24hr sports channel on free-to-air, stuffed full of baffling American sports events. Masses of glazed-eyed Aussies are being introduced to the realisation that the Carolina Panthers are not a quality outfit at the slowest possible pace for completing a sports event ever envisaged.

Paging Stephen Walt and John

Paging Stephen Walt and John Mearsheimer:

Sandman warned of two main catalysts for a possible lack of support. The first was what he called the decreasing influence the Jewish community had over the US government.

"This trend will continue to get worse, due to assimilation and the fast rise of other minorities such as the Hispanics, which amount to 30 million [people] today in the US," he wrote.

The second was a possible change in government and subsequent policy that "could leave Israel without an ally."

It's difficult to win on the

It's difficult to win on the road.

"... in training and

"... in training and organization, Hizbullah received a 8 and the IDF 7..."

What?! Outrageous!! There is no way that those numbers are right. Hizbullah is clearly a 6 and the IDF a 5.

8 and 7? Get out. Amateurs.

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