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I got the press release for this new report from Kim and Fred Kagan on force requirements for Afghanistan and started laughing: "Dr. Kimberly Kagan of the Institute for the Study of War (ISW) and Dr. Fred Kagan of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) have joined forces to produce a thoughtful and detailed presentation on the necessary troop requirements needed for for a proper counterinsurgency effort in Afghanistan?"
Joined forces? Like, what, the Super Friends? I thought they were, uh, married or something?
Anyway, this is no substitute for a troop-to-task analysis conducted by a military staff, but this is, as advertised, a thoughtful and detailed presentation that is worth your time. It shows where U.S. and allied troops are in Afghanistan and offers a number for how many more brigades might be needed. So if you're looking for a hint as to how many more troops Gen. McChrystal will request, this is as good a primer as any. Nothing here on civilian resources, sadly, but aside from the fact that this was written in PowerPoint, I found myself nodding my head in agreement as I read this. Solid work, and good food for thought.
Meanwhile, this may or may not be a video of Kim and Fred's wedding day:
Andrew Exum, How is it you
Andrew Exum,
How is it you have spent YEARS in the stomping grounds of terrorists and are proud to have only spent 8 days in Israel. If this was World War 2, you would be arrested as a spy, and most certainly would not have access to military commanders whatsoever. That reasoning should be revisited as evinced in your continual support of Hizballah.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Nietzsche
Good god, you'd think that
Good god, you'd think that the comment delay might somehow be related to moderation, but the kind of dross that's been showing up lately indicates that this isn't the case. Can't you guys do something about these effing trolls?
No, Gulliver, deleting
No, Gulliver, deleting comments is a fools errand on a free-for-all-Wild-West blog like this. If Abu M, or a moderator, starts deleting anything other than obvious spam, the blog sort of becomes responsible for the comments it doesn't delete. The question will be: why did you delete this comment and not that comment? You must be endorsing said comment because you didn't delete it....
See, this is where a certain essential narcissism is useful. Well, that's what I tell myself, anyway, as a grade A narcissist. It's all about me. Pay attention to your own comments, and the comments that interest you, and ignore the rest!
Gulliver, So anyone with a
Gulliver,
So anyone with a dissenting voice is a troll?
Exum is a buffoon trying to pass himself off as an expert, and smacking up to those he believes can help him.
So anyone with a dissenting
So anyone with a dissenting voice is a troll?
No, I'd say that anyone who offers nothing to the debate and comes round merely to take personal shots at the blog's proprietor, often based on where he has or hasn't spent enough time, or bullshit aspersions about his career aspirations, or what kind of flag he has in his office -- those guys are trolls.
It's got nothing to do with dissent. I'm a dissenting voice on a lot of the Afghanistan stuff. SNLII is certainly a dissenter. Bernard Finel is a dissenter. Gian Gentile is a dissenter. None of these people are trolls.
You, the guy who talks shit about someone he doesn't know, the guy who doesn't so much "dissent" as simply flap his virtual lips about nonsense, you are a troll.
Madhu, I feel you, and your point is well-taken, but this is starting to drive me nuts. You are of course right, even if the truth is frustrating.
What was Aquaman doing in
What was Aquaman doing in the Superfriends? He has no jurisdiction on land.
No way Fred Kagan would fit
No way Fred Kagan would fit in one of those suits.
Comment by Visitor on
Comment by Visitor on September 22, 2009 - 1:46pm
Andrew Exum,
How is it you have spent YEARS in the stomping grounds of terrorists and are proud to have only spent 8 days in Israel. If this was World War 2, you would be arrested as a spy, and most certainly would not have access to military commanders whatsoever. That reasoning should be revisited as evinced in your continual support of Hizballah.
"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you." -Nietzsche
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I think this is indeed a valid point. Why would one who is ostensibly the enemy be able to interview and talk to , interact with these terrorist organizations with impunity? One would think that they would behead his ass on sight wouldn't one? Why would he be allowed by the "enemy" to move with impunity all throughout the region without any attempt on his life? Sometimes I miss simple things here so please oh ye learned enlighten me!!!! On the surface it appears to be a definite fallacy.
As far as a substantive (if
As far as a substantive (if random) criticism...
Page 38 has the following bullet:
The 4thBrigade of the 82ndAirborne Division will be deploying later this year, but it has the mission of training Afghan troops and does not, therefore, fill any of the requirements identified above.
4/82 actually deployed last month; two soldiers from 2nd Bn, 508 PIR were killed Sunday in Zabul province when their vehicle rolled over.
I'm not sure on what authority the Kagans assert the following (which is higher up on the same page), either:
The best way to train indigenous forces rapidly is to partner coalition units with them together in combat.
Partnering isn't exactly training, and is a phase of security force assistance that typically follows the teaching of basic skills. In fact, this statement pretty well flies in the face of the Army's approach, which is that teaching and coaching should take place in controlled environments (which is to say, not in combat), whereas advising and partnering are higher-end activities intended to engage more capable HN units.
It is remarkable that we are
It is remarkable that we are having this debate, yet there seems to be someone who is missing in action. Where is Petraeus in all of this? It seems that he has insulated himself from any controversy, leaving Obama and McCrystal holding the bag.
Smart politics. But then again, Petraeus is a smart politician, with broad ambitions. Petraeus 2012?
As you are a respected
As you are a respected member of the KCL Dept. of War Studies, how can you bear to watch hacks such as Kimberley Kagan running an 'Institute for the Study of War' while keeping an ex-Ranger's composure? This organization is a complete farce and should not be taken seriously by anyone interested in the 'study of war'.
Can't handle the heat
Can't handle the heat ladies? I have been dissenting for quite some time and have only received attacks as a response. That shows how weak your position is. COIN is only a means for Exum and CNAS to remake wars into endless contingency operations, while this and other Soros-funded think tanks weaken our country economically and militarily. While the troops suffer the hell of war, Exum and company have such impressive philosophical discussions like 'what defines victory in Afghanistan.' NEWSFLASH: Beating al Qaeda and the Taliban is the definition of victory!
I ask you - Mr. Alpha Male EX Ranger - what exactly about your theory will actually defeat the enemy? You have at least heard of a rifle before, so you probably have more of a clue than your fellow think tank cohorts. What great CNAS strategy will bring this war to a quick conclusion? A REAL MAN would defend himself, not hide under the skirt of his readers.
Buds question above was
Buds question above was never answered, and after reading this series of comments I also want an answer to that. Or is it one you folks just can't answer?
Comment by Visitor on
Comment by Visitor on September 22, 2009 - 1:46pm
"Why would one who is ostensibly the enemy be able to interview and talk to , interact with these terrorist organizations with impunity?"
Who are you talking to? If you know of someone here who interviews and generally interacts with Hezbollah, let us know. Until then it just sounds like you are having a conversation with voices in your head.
"Sometimes I miss simple things here so please oh ye learned enlighten me!!!!"
This is not possible until you identity who/what you are referring to. Who has interviewed Hezbollah, is it the Kagans ?
Comment by Duke on September
Comment by Duke on September 22, 2009 - 5:47pm
"Can't handle the heat ladies? I have been dissenting for quite some time and have only received attacks as a response."
Was this the "Exum, you suck cock" theory you laid out recently, or did we miss the real detail of your dissent somewhere else ?
Tell you what, why don't you find the nugget of dissent you're the most happy with as a coherent, thoughtful critique you believe is deserving of response, then quote for me the by-line including timestamp as I've done above. Google will take care of the rest and we can all see the kind of dissent you believe has gone without it's fair response.
Chop chop.
I think this is indeed a
I think this is indeed a valid point. Why would one who is ostensibly the enemy be able to interview and talk to , interact with these terrorist organizations with impunity? One would think that they would behead his ass on sight wouldn't one? Why would he be allowed by the "enemy" to move with impunity all throughout the region without any attempt on his life? Sometimes I miss simple things here so please oh ye learned enlighten me!!!! On the surface it appears to be a definite fallacy.
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@kilo Are you obtuse? or just plain stupid? Exum. Your buddy? The one who spends years in hostile countries?
1. In the post-Cold War,
1. In the post-Cold War, the United States has a certain and specific agenda. This certain and specific agenda is to transform the Third World.
2. In order to do this, the United States realizes that it must have the ability and capability to:
(a) Persuade, coerce and/or compel Third World populations and actors to comply with and carry out America's will.
(b) Persuade, coerce and/or compel members of the so-called "international community" to join with and help American with this new mission -- or to at least stay out of America's way as she moves to achieve this new objective.
3. A test of our abilities and capabilities as per (a) and (b) above presented themselves in the challenges of Iraq and Afghanistan.
4. Errors, inadequacies and invalid theories and assumptions were quickly revealed in these conflicts.
5. And corrective measures -- to shore up these deficincies -- have been undertaken and show some promise.
6. But what to do with Iraq and Afghanistan now?
7. Certainly a "win" in each of these engagements would indicate to the rest of the world that the United States HAD developed the requisite abilities and capabilities necessary to achieve its 21st Century agenda in the Third World.
8. And certainly a "loss" would indicate to the rest of the world that the United States HAD NOT developed these required abilities/capabilities.
Try the two questions in
Try the two questions in this paragraph (find your own timestamp):
"I ask you - Mr. Alpha Male EX Ranger - what exactly about your theory will actually defeat the enemy? You have at least heard of a rifle before, so you probably have more of a clue than your fellow think tank cohorts. What great CNAS strategy will bring this war to a quick conclusion? A REAL MAN would defend himself, not hide under the skirt of his readers."
Why don't we ask the men out there where the bullet hits the meat what they think? Do they think that this contingency BS is the way to go? Are they on board with McCrystal's (who is advised by Exum supposedly) ROE that is killing Marines, not terrorists? That success is measured not by smashing the he'll out of the Taliban, but rather protecting the civilians that are passing ammo to the Taliban during firefights (bet you haven't witnessed that have you Kilo)? Show me how this theory is supported IF YOU CAN.
I think this is indeed a
I think this is indeed a valid point. Why would one who is ostensibly the enemy be able to interview and talk to , interact with these terrorist organizations with impunity? One would think that they would behead his ass on sight wouldn't one? Why would he be allowed by the "enemy" to move with impunity all throughout the region without any attempt on his life? Sometimes I miss simple things here so please oh ye learned enlighten me!!!! On the surface it appears to be a definite fallacy.
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@kilo Are you obtuse? or just plain stupid? Exum. Your buddy? The one who spends years in hostile countries?
Bills assessment is correct
Bills assessment is correct as far as it goes. However what about the handicap our troops must deal with when fighting these cowardly pricks who don't even wear a uniform, what about "civilian" casualties when they are passing ammo to the "fighters?" what about the enemy's propensity to hide behind human cover? What about that Human cover? Are they actively enough helping the terrorists or just standing in the line of fire calmly reading the evening paper and having tea? Common sense says when bullets fly if your in the way you will die so leave.
I don't really expect an
I don't really expect an answer from these Exum "fans" (putting it polity) But I do expect an answer from the rest of you...... or are all of you blinded to these things?
It's nice to see not
It's nice to see not everyone on here is willing to cow tow to the enemy, good going Bud. A valid question has been asked will someone please ansewer it.
Please tell me someone is
Please tell me someone is keeping a record going for a special "Best of Baseless Aspersions said on Abu Muqawama"
fumbles just lived up to his
fumbles just lived up to his name.
Gulliver: it doesn't bother
Gulliver: it doesn't bother you to read Hizballah propaganda at a supposedly COUNTER-insurgency blog?
Hizbullah propaganda? What
Hizbullah propaganda? What a crock.
Leaps & Bounds: The Rapid
Leaps & Bounds: The Rapid Evolution of Harakat al-Shabab al-Mujahideen's Media
I found the slides dealing
I found the slides dealing with why a more CT based operation might not work too well according to the Kagans more interesting, frankly.
"The fewer intelligence‐gathering assets operating near the target, finally, the less likely they are to obtain actionable intelligence of any variety." - from slide 41 of the Kagan presentation.
Also, on slide 41: "It took months to gain actionable intelligence on Beitullah Mehsud even with thousands of Pakistani troops milling around his bases and an enormous bounty on his head." But, what does that have to do with an Afghanistan that has a legitimate government? That's about Pakistan and it's own internal actions, isn't it? ISAF has a fairly heavy military footprint in Afghanistan, now, and so we have more, what, leverage, to lean on Pakistan to do something? Which gets us actionable intelligence, but is destabilizing, so it's one step forward, one step backward if stabilizing Pakistan is part of the rationale for being there? And, will I ever write a sentence in the comments section at Abu M that doesn't end in a question mark?
Sorry.
This is really all about real-estate and location, location, location? The closer we are to the safe haven, the more likely we get information that is useful? And not all safe havens are created equal and Pakistan is the bigger prize safe haven-wise?
Hmm. There are no good options are there? This isn't about a Biddle-like sobriety, it's just d*mn sobering.
Guys, Exum has a beard. And
Guys, Exum has a beard. And we all know how stupid these subhuman arab cowards in foreign countries are. He grows a beard, keeps his pink shirt in his wardrobe in DC, and chats to the Hezzzies, Hamies, Tallies and even Osama himself without any of them dummies wising up.
But you're right about those goddamn cowards. Why don't they come out in the open, with a proper uniform where we can kill them? And the way they hide behind women and children, its almost like they're trying to trick us into killing innocent civilians. Like they tricked us into invading Iraq and Afghanistan in the first place.
Goddamn, cunning fiends. Animal cunning, not good righteous alpha male christian english speaking cleverness.
you know the sort of cleverness that makes F22s and cool stuff like that.
Do you think that the Kagans
Do you think that the Kagans were the source of the leak of McChrystal's assessment to Woodward?
A few comments on the
A few comments on the presentation:
Prioritisation - I wholeheartedly disagree with "Accept significant risks in Ghazni" - making travel safe along Highway 1 fro Kabul to Hirat should be as much a priority, if not more so, than the northern half of Helmand. The route is essential to the nation’s economy, social development, the emergence of good governance, and the modernization of Afghanistan and as such is of critical strategic importance. The Ring Road is also critical to the insurgency if it wishes to achieve its strategic goals, and for this reason also, the route has to be secured as a matter of urgency.
Kandahar - "the extent of (the Taliban's) presence and influence is not knowable", actually it is knowable but they didn't have any information (which in itself is telling). The Taliban have complete freedom of movement throughout the city at night and in several areas during the day. They are able to go into central Mosques during Friday prayers and threaten individuals. The homes of police officers in the city are regularly targeted, such as grenades thrown over walls, in an attempt to intimidate them. ISAF forces briefly deployed into the city after last year's jail break and were welcomed. Then they shot and killed an elderly man and (possibly, my memory is a bit hazy at the moment) his grandson in a "force escalation" incident. They were no longer welcomed.
The biggest question at the moment remains the Afghan government - many, many deals have been struck over the last weeks and some of them will have to be honored. "Reliable" and "ally" need to be seen in shades of grey. Targeting only govt officials whose "actions seriously jeopardize our efforts" is very subjective and open to a great deal of interpretation.
Comment by Bud on September
Comment by Bud on September 22, 2009 - 7:09pm
""Why would one who is ostensibly the enemy be able to interview and talk to , interact with these terrorist organizations with impunity?""
@"kilo Are you obtuse? or just plain stupid? Exum. Your buddy? The one who spends years in hostile countries?"
I've been to Malaysia, this doesn't mean I've interviewed the MILF, nimrod.
You asked was how is he allowed to interview and interract with Hezbollah safely.
I've asked do you have any basis for suggesting that has done these things.
You've now said no. Glad I could be of assistance.
Lebanon is a very hostile
Lebanon is a very hostile country, it's true. I hear that they don't have flushing toilets or a MacDonald's -- the very definition of hostile. Paris is worse. Exum, you have been found out at the last by anonymous sock-puppets unable to even string coherent sentences together. The irony.
Wait 'til the trolls realise
Wait 'til the trolls realise Kilcullen did his fieldwork in - gasp - Indonesia. Probably the Australian intelligence service sent him there to destroy Barry Soetero's school reports, as part of the Anglo-Dutch liberal conspiracy orchestrated by Queen Elizabeth II, Unilever, and ACORN.
(The teabaggers are showing a lot of interest in Administration advisors; it's not impossible that they reckon CNAS is a secret network of Muslims, like their intellectual ancestors thought the Council on Foreign Relations was a communist spy ring.)
To get back to the Kagan
To get back to the Kagan presentation - the concept of 'partnering' implies a pretty fundamental shift in operating culture. Specifically, the western forces are going to have to get over their obsession with opsec and actually allow Afghans into planning sessions and command posts.
The touches on a number of issues raised here and elsewhere in the recent past. First, literacy among ANSF. While most Afghan officers I've dealt with are literate (or were - since the ANA don't rotate within country those guys have been fighting non-stop the past couple of years, so they may all be dead), there are (were) some glaring exceptions. Second, there's the tech gap - even the ANSF who can read are overwhelmed by powerpoint, computerised C2 systems etc. Third, although we've trained up kandaks to varying degrees, we haven't done so good a job at training Bde/Corps staffs, so the military decision making process is a painful process. Fourth, the process will slow to a crawl with the need for translation. Fifth, getting maps published in Dari or Pashto is like pulling hen's teeth. Sixth, this may require changing the ANSF readiness cycle to ensure that kandaks in the green cycle are available for ops - recent experience in Helmand has shown that to be a sticking point. Seventh, our leadership is paranoid about letting Afghans into ops centres, whether they be ANSF or terps.
It's going to take a heck of a lot of firm direction and continual oversight to make partnering work.
But it will be worth it, if it's ever actually pushed.
Ah yes, the CFR. Abu M --
Ah yes, the CFR. Abu M -- are you really a giant lizard?
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