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Pakistan Dispatch: Islamabad attacks pt2

This post follows on from the earlier information about the attacks today in Islamabad:

Three attacks in three days in the Pakistani capital as the Waziristan operation goes on.

The latest is still happening about 2km from where Londonstani is now. Television news is saying an attacker wearing a suicide belt and carrying an AK47 started shooting near the city's courts in the F8 sector. The area is one of Islamabad's upper income districts. Details are confused but it seems the gunman is still on the loose. Police are evacuating the area, saying that he planted an explosive device before fleeing.

Earlier this morning, gunmen opened fire on a passing army jeep carrying a senior officer. Three or four soldiers were killed. Media is reporting most of the attackers escaped.

The day before yesterday, two suicide bombers killed four students at the Islamic University.

More soon....

UPDATE:

Islamabad is in a near state of panic.

A friend said today that a relative of his had rung him in a panic saying that she had seen men with guns pulling people out of cars on one of the main roads. This hasn't been reported anywhere and Londonstani is tempted to think its one of those situations where people are so worried they see one thing and imagine another.

A foreign security official told Londonstani that he had never seen Islamabad in such a state of nervousness. The attack in F8 particularly shook people up. The target seems to have been the courts, but the area is very residential, and pretty well heeled residential at that. Initial reports said the gunman was on the loose. A three mile radius from the central market area of F8 encompasses most of the shops, restaurants and cafes frequented by the local expat residents and Pakistani business and professional types.

Quite a few shop keepers told Londonstani that they were tempted to shut up shop when they heard through their televisions that a desperate armed man wearing a suicide belt could well be heading their way.

There was definitely less life on the street.. but there was still some.

Now, what does this mean for public opinion? As far as Londonstani is concerned it looks like his theory that the downfall of militant Islamists is hardwire into their DNA holds. They always seem to descend into pure bloodlust and lose whatever support they get through articulating popular grievance to Western policy. This is something AQ leadership warned against when they started their enterprise at the end of the Soviet-Afghan war and it's something they reiterated when Zarqawi went postal in Iraq and it's also something Zawahiri had to address in his internet Q&A session 18 months or so ago.

OK, so many Pakistanis feel that somehow the Indians, Americans and/or Israelis might be behind all this. But when the attacks mount up and the residents of your well guarded capital are too afraid to step outside their front doors, public opinion reaches a "I-don't-know-what-it-is-but-I-want-it-stopped" situation.

It's at times like this that the people who support a Taliban-type world view are temporarily silenced. That's not because they have changed their minds. It's because they feel deep down that their "just warriors of Islam" can't possibly be responsible for bombing civilians, eventhough the evidence seems to be mounting up. If that's your worldview, you don't abandon it because of a few bombs. Instead, you go away to figure out how you and square the circle.

Want to see what Londonstani's talking about? Check this out:

"Regarding the most recent bombing at Islamic University in Islamabad, note that the Taliban have not claimed responsibility for it (you can imagine that they’d be a bit pre-occupied to release a statement denying it right now). Despite that, all the govt officials and media outlets are pointing the finger of blame at them (even though they themselves are forced to acknowledge that they have not claimed responsibility for it).

"For those of you who choose to take the word of the Govt and Army (who are currently stooges of the Americans and are falling over themselves to lick their shoes) over that of the mujahideen, consider this: WHY ON EARTH WOULD THE TALIBAN INTENTIONALLY TARGET CIVILIAN AREAS WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN FROM IT?"

In Londonstani's experience, the answer is pretty simple. Violent groups - no matter what the stated noble aims - tend to attract a far share of complete nutters who need absolutely no justification to kill people. But, hey, if you are offering up one dressed up as God, country, flag or whatever, then, hell yeah, that'll do. And those sorts of people are pretty hard to control or weed out if you are running a professional modern army, let alone a volunteer militia made up of people with disparate aims.

It's also funny how people are quite happy to look for the logic when they are excusing their own side, but the "standard of proof" drops several notches when they are faced with something that confirms their own beliefs.

To give you an idea of that feeling of having had enough, check out this nice little mash up by Pakistani channel Geo. The title translates as "We Are Ready!" Actually, a more idiomatic translation would be, "We are ready for you!".

 

UPDATE II

As if all that wasn't enough excitment for one day.. we just had a minor earthquake!!

Pakistan, terrorism, attacks

19 comments

These Pakistan Dispatches

These Pakistan Dispatches are quickly becoming my favorites (no offense, AM). Thanks, Londonstani, for posting.

My first observation is that

My first observation is that they obviously have several classes of Mumbai coming up, units who are capable of modern operational actions. Thats a real fcking worry, because 7 dedicated commandos can wreak a lot of havoc if death isne a issue. So I would look for training camps inside Pakistan, fer a start, without blaming it on anyone. its a huge freaking country, i could propably build a little nation up in the mountains with a billion or two.

LOL.... Let the Paki's and

LOL.... Let the Paki's and Tali's ....all of them... Let them all kill each other! This is F-en beautiful baby!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppMQ2Jvekfg

YES!

WHY ON EARTH WOULD THE

WHY ON EARTH WOULD THE TALIBAN INTENTIONALLY TARGET CIVILIAN AREAS WHEN THEY HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN FROM IT?"
Because it keeps your opponent tied down, guarding bldgs, streets, buses, transport hubs. It keeps him on his toes. And the dead civilians aren't dead, they are alive and well with god, for having sacrificed their lives for a noble cause.

I second the first-poster -

I second the first-poster - I'm always looking forward to Londonstani's dispatches whenever I bring up this blog.

It's also funny how people are quite happy to look for the logic when they are excusing their own side, but the "standard of proof" drops several notches when they are faced with something that confirms their own beliefs.

That's pretty typical. They probably have a hard time thinking that the noble "mujahideen" fighting against the "Americans" could keep in their number a bunch of violent psychopaths.

Londonstani, amazing post.

Londonstani, amazing post. Who do the conspiracy theorists think might be behind the terrorist attacks?:
-Jews/Mossad
-Hindus/RAW
-CIA
-Russians
-Shiites
-ISI
-someone not mentioned
-some combination, a conspiracy.

"Comment by Visitor on October 22, 2009 - 4:05pm" My thoughts as well.

Anan..thanks. The

Anan..thanks. The conspiracies say it could be all those people and some unexpected players too.. like.. Pakistan's own army. Ive heard a few people tell me very seriously that the army wants people to feel scared and reliant on the armed forces, so they have the political capital to go clear out the tribal areas and then sort out the politicians who are killing the country at a pace only slightly slower than the militants.. Sometimes i think people sit around trying to out do each other.. really, its like a competition. Like the old competitive poetry sounds offs of the Indian Muslim nobles many years ago...i come up with a line and you have to better it.

Londonstani, I agree that it

Londonstani,
I agree that it can sound like a race to come up with the most outrageous conspiracy theory. But as you probably know, the real reason is that their carefully constructed worldview has hit a brick wall (its called reality) and the pain and disorientation is showing. The mujahideen are not confused, so you wont hear too many complicated theories from them. But the rest of Pakistan is just losing their marbles over all this......I talk to friends who are perfectly sane and rational in so many things and they sound crazier and crazier with the conspiracy theories. I wonder if any psychologists are studying this as it unfolds...
btw I am not as confident as you are about the "taliban are their own worst enemy" scenario. They ARE, but its a race to the bottom and they may not be ones to lose it. One solution would be for the army to actually start telling the truth about who they are fighting and why. OR, maybe GHQ should hire Monbiot and a couple of the other nutcases from England (pilger? Fisk?) and task them with coming up with a theory that satisfies the requirements of the educated Pakistani (evil Americans, "jewish lobby", indian hand, world bank, pipelines, unocal) while still leaving them willing to fight against the taliban. You or I cannot do it, its a job for professionals. Seriously, Pilger could probably save the country single-handedly if he would only try. Pay him and see.....

I agree that the new

I agree that the new generation of internet snuff movie loving death cultists will alienate the people- they seek violence for the sake of violence, no real intelligible ideals. The success of 21st century terror outfits has been their ability to reach out to psycho's worldwide through clever internet psycho- marketing and locally through indocrination. However, never underestimate the power of the conspiracy theory. Sometimes perception is more important than truth. There have already been Pakistani's demonstrating against the Govt for, as they see, provoking these atrocities. Also many otherwise perfectly sane people still refuse to believe that 'Muslims done 9/11'.

By the way, were I'm from 'Paki' is a derogatory term. I realise this may not be so in the rest of the world and some may see it as comparable to 'Brit', 'Aussie', etc but trust me, it is different.

Thanks for the on the spot

Thanks for the on the spot reporting, Londonstani. Be careful and stay safe.

Add me to the list of fans--

Add me to the list of fans-- this blog now has a genuine foreign correspondent, and a kickass one at that.

I actually have wondered myself, Londonstani, along the lines of your Taliban apologist. I grant you that these organizations recruit their share of crazies (and this is "crazy" working off the standard that a murderer who pays attention to his long-term goals is sane), but I'm not satisfied by that alone as an explanation. If someone with their head on their shoulders in the organization was especially against this, they'd have put a stop to it.

So,what IS the interest of the Taliban in killing civilians? I have no doubt they're doing it, but isn't it worth delving into their motivations further than "cause they're nuts?"

"a murderer who pays

"a murderer who pays attention to his long-term goals is sane"

Thats prettty much the whole militaary caste in my xp, lol

I've heard what's going on

I've heard what's going on in Pakistan was caused by an ISI version of a MKULTRA style project. ISI apparently has gained mind-control over the Taliban, which was obtained by interrogations with "Whataburger" -Sausage, Egg and Cheese Breakfast Sandwiches. Please note: "Whata" - in Paki means "rock".

This official Pakistan government program began in 2008, continuing the last year, and it has been recently used on Pakistan citizens as its test subjects. The published evidence indicates that Project "Paki-Piggly-Wiggly" involved the surreptitious use of many types of pork products, Indian pornography and reading the Koran backwards while listening to Motley Crue to manipulate individual mental states and to alter brain function.

Project PAKI-PIG-WIG was first brought to wide public attention in 2009 by The Prime Minister of Pakistan "Grand Minister", through investigations by the Faisal Mosque, and Majlis-e-Shoora. Investigative efforts were hampered by the fact that ISI Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha ordered all Project PAKI-PIG-WIG files destroyed this week; the Faisal Mosque and Majlis-e-Shoora investigations relied on the sworn testimony of Nikki Sixx, Tommy Lee, and on the relatively small number of documents that survived Pasha's destruction order.

Although the ISI insists that Project PAKI-PIG-WIG -type experiments have been abandoned, ISI veteran Lt. Gen. Nadeem Taj stated in various interviews that the ISI routinely conducts disinformation campaigns and that ISI mind control research continues today and can be seen in the streets with the chaos at hand. In a interview this week, Taj specifically called the ISI claim that PAKI-PIG-WIG was abandoned a "cover story.

Hummm...sounds familiar doesn't it?

Hang on, have you been

Hang on, have you been talking to Ziad Hamid?

LOL, No amateur can ever

LOL, No amateur can ever hope to compete with Zaid Hamid and Ahmed Qureshi. Ahmed Qureshi used to describe himself (on his website) as "master of immaculate deception". His outfit was called "farmaan reality" (Which can be translated as "order your reality"). No PIG-WIG scheme can ever hope to match these masters. Zaid Hamid especially is in a class by himself. But then, his august sources range from the protocols of the elders of Zion to the confused poet philosopher Allama Iqbal.....I highly recommend ahmedqureshi.com for entertainment purposes. Its the most hilarious site on the net.

Agree with Fnord - its

Agree with Fnord - its worrying what a few well trained commando units could achieve, if nothing more than ratcheting up the fear levels within the city.

It's also interesting to see a number of people bringing the crazy back - by that I mean actually acknowledged that some members of certain militant organization may in fact be barking mad. I'm part way through a degree in CT studies and most of the analysis I read sets out reasonable cause and effect paradigms for the root cause of terrorism - many extremely valid, but there does seem to be a certain reticence to acknowledge that some of these people are just freakin mental.

"most of the analysis I read

"most of the analysis I read sets out reasonable cause and effect paradigms for the root cause of terrorism - many extremely valid, but there does seem to be a certain reticence to acknowledge that some of these people are just freakin mental." Bingo.

Omar, I'll be sure to check

Omar, I'll be sure to check out ahmedqureshi.com and thanks for reminding me I'm an amateur / the slap from reality! FYI- I learned how to play cricket in Oklahoma of all places and yes. And yes, I'm no Mohammad Yousuf!

I'll need to bring the popcorn and ginger ale if I watch more Zaid Hamid this evening. I just briefly observed him on youtube.com. Wow what a fruit loop, but he is slightly entertaining. I can already see myself snarfing the ginger ale through my nose from laughing so hard or from the shock. LOL

paradigms ...yes. "thinking outside the box", might have to take place on this one. Then again perhaps it's Alien Anal Probes that's causing the madness in Pakistan?

From the little I've seen of

From the little I've seen of Qureshi, he - from his outward appearance - looks just like the kind of sober-suited fellow you would find in a western think tank.... but appearances can be deceptive.

The bio on his website suggests that he wishes he was of Arab descent rather than South Asian.

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