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On December 4, four militants stormed a mosque used extensively by Pakistan Army personnel and killed 35 people who had gathered for Friday prayers. Among the victims were 17 children. Security forces battled the militants for an hour before three blew themselves up. The attack marked a return to the sort of well-executed, multi-pronged tactics that militants have used against the army on previous occasions. But the choice of target - Muslims at prayer - forced a response from the country's religious establishment.
Right after the attack, Interior Minister Rehman Malik called on Pakistan's religious figures to take a stand. Within hours Mufti Muneeb ur Rehman, an influential figure within the religious establishment was on television.
"We have issued a fatwa that suicide bombings, remote attacks and direct attacks against civilians or the forces of an Islamic country are haram (Islamically forbidden)", he said. "Suicide attacks are specifically forbidden because they are carried out by killing yourself, which is totally outside the rules of Islam.... Attacking mosques is totally unacceptable in the eyes of Islam."
Mufti Muneeb represents a mainstream Islamic outlook in Pakistan known as Barelvi, which encompasses the country's Sufi traditions. Much has been made of Sufis as the mainstream - largely apolitical - Islamic outlook that has the potential to provide Pakistan, as well as the wider Muslim world, with the religious legitimacy to counter the austere Salafi and more specifically the Jihadi-Takfeeri ideology that the likes of the Taliban adhere to. In 2007, the Rand Cooperation published Building Moderate Muslim Networks, which advocates engaging and bolstering the Sufi strand of Islam throughout the Muslim world.
But is it really as simple as that? The phrase might have become a cliche but Pakistan is presently the location of a very real battle for hearts and minds. Is it possible to pick a side and support it against another?
The Sufi tradition has very deep roots in Pakistan. The country is dotted with shrines that are visited by thousands of people daily from across Pakistan's ossified class structure. Londonstani's taxi driver of choice is a fairly typical adherent.
Chacha (uncle) supports eight children on about £7.40 a day, which takes him 12 hours of driving to earn. His family is from Murree, a hilly area about 2-1/2 hours drive from Islamabad. But he spends most days of the week living in a small unheated concrete room outside a small stall owned by a relative who also works in the capital. Chacha has a terrible cough, exacerbated by his constant smoking and his taste for the local Murree whiskey. If he could afford it, Chacha would go to the doctors to find out how to treat it. But unlike Londonstani, he's not too worried about it:
"You know, I thank God because health comes from Him. And when you are ill, it makes you remember your own mortality. It makes you remember that you will go back to God and you have to answer for your actions. So in that way, being ill is a blessing because it will make me closer to God."
Conventional wisdom in Pakistan states that men like Chacha uncritically accept whatever they are told by firebrand preachers - of the religious or secular variety that dominate the pulpits and the airways. Chacha, however, is nobody's fool when it comes to current affairs.
"Some people in Pakistan love America and others hate it. The ones that love it are the educated people and those who travel abroad and like fashions from abroad. They have investments in America and they travel there. So its no surprise that they love it.
"For the poor people, they don't see anything good coming from the friendship with America. All we see is that we are suffering for America's war. We didn't invade any country and start a war. The fight is between al Qaeda and America? It's nothing to do with us. But because the people in government are friends with America, we ended up fighting for them."
Despite being very clear about which section of the population he belongs in, Chacha has not resorted to a blind hatred of all things American or Western.
"All the Americans I've ever met are pretty nice people. But I think their policies are bad for our country. Sure, their government needs to look after their interests, but ours needs to look after our interests. That's not happening because the people in our government are looking after the interests of themselves, their family and their group of friends."
Chacha is a follower of Pir Ali Shah, whose shrine-complex is situated on the outskirts of Islamabad at Golra Sherif.
Golra Sherif has attracted pilgrims for near two centuries. Every week, thousands of men, women and children gather in what has become a little town in its own right to hear Qawalis (devotional songs), pray at the various tombs and eat the food laid on by the shrine's guardians.

The outlook that includes Chacha and countless other Pakistanis is being challenged by the Takfeeri-Salafi mode of thought. The Taliban is the most vocal manifestation of this outlook but my no means its sole representative. Groups like Tehreek-e-Islam and al-Huda, while not explicitly violent, promote a "return to true Islam" message which sees the Sufi traditions of the country as a corruption of the true faith. Most of these groups are in some way or another an offshoot of the Deobandi school of thought which also gave birth to the Jamaat-e-Islaami political party which is sympathetic to the Taliban.
However, Deobandis are not monolithic in their outlook. The Deobandi school of thought started in India in 1866 as a reaction to the British takeover of Muslim India. Its core message is a revival of Islam throught through Islamic learning. Mulana Maududi, the founder of Jamaat-e-Islaami, was a Deobandi student but others within the school of thought separated themselves from politics. The Indian branch of the Deobandi school issued a proclamation in 2008 condemning terrorism. In Pakistan, the Jamaat-e-Islami has repeatedly refused to condemn the Taliban.
One consequence of the war in Afghanistan is the fracturing of Pakistan's religious patchwork quilt. Whereas once the fault lines lay between Shia and Sunni, these have now spread to Barelvi and Deobandis (who are both Sunni). As the Barelvis are seen to side with the state's stance against the local Taliban and its official backing for the U.S-led presence in Afghanistan, they have become exposed to allegations that they are "stooges" of "state-sponsored Islam". This has also opened them up to attack on religious grounds by the element of Deobandi thought that sees Sufi practice as unIslamic; a point of view shared by the Wahabis, Takfiris etc, basically, the kind of people who support the Taliban outlook.
A number of sources estimate that the majority of Muslims in Pakistan, India and South Asian communities in the United Kingdom are from Barelvi backgrounds. But whereas once the Deobandi-Barelvi divide was fairly pourous and devoid of any practical meaning, today it has taken on political connotations.
And those political connotations have very serious implications. A few weeks ago, Londonstani tagged along on a series of meetings organised by a British Muslim organisation that involved many leading Barelvi figures. One of the main issues that arose was the very real threat these figures faced if they took a stand against the Taliban. The delegation from Britain visited Jamia Naemia in Lahore, a Barelvi madrassa. The visit started with a prayer at the grave of the school's founder Sarfraz Naemi, who was killed by a suicide bomber weeks after denouncing the Taliban and issuing a fatwa against suicide bombings. It mattered little that he had previously criticised the government for its support of the U.S-led invasion of Afghanistan.
The explosive religio-political landscape of Pakistan is best illustrated by the security outside the madrassa guarding one set of Islam's guardians against another.

Mufti Muneeb was present during the meetings. He made the point that the Barelvis leaders knew that they had to make a stand, but were nervous as to what this would mean for the safety of their families and followers. The statement Mufti Muneeb made after the Rawalpindi attack did not mention the Taliban specifically. In reference to the attackers, he said: "We don't know who they are. But we hear from the media and the government that they say they are acting in the name of religion. That is why we issued a fatwa to refute their claims to have religious justifications for their actions." A few days after making the statement, Mufti Muneeb and several other leaders who echoed his call were laid up in hospital with suspected poisoning.
Supporting the Barelvis materially against the Deobandis is a dangerous logic to follow. It smacks of the sort of colonial and cold war era policies that pitted one group of "natives" against another and led to decades of warfare. At the same time, it overlooks the divisions within the ranks of Pakistan's "traditional Muslims". Any effort to provide material support would flounder at the first hurdle of who to distribute it to. But one practical and realistic suggestion the Barelvis did raise was of moral support from the wider community of Islamic leadership. Despite their numbers, the Barelvis are in danger of being bullied into silence. Their stance makes them appear as government - and therefore Western - stooges. Their opponents portray them as quietist fatalists who are unwilling to stand up for the honour of Islam. And if their opponents dominate the public Islamic discourse - as they are on course to do - anyone in Pakistan who opposes armed insurrection against the state and a fight to the death against anything that hints of tolerance, moderation and discourse will be forced into silence. The medium term consequences for Pakistan, the region and the international community will be dire.
Thanks for this.
Thanks for this.
Are there ways to support
Are there ways to support the moderate elements by some other means than materials? Maybe improve media exposure, or funding to the madrassa's to allow for a missionary like spread of influence? Maybe throw them a few million to help them get media exposure things like radio stations/shows or tv shows.
I've heard hopeful comments
I've heard hopeful comments made about Sufis in other parts of the Islamic world. Some, but not all, are based on the mistaken assumption that Sufi= Muslim hippie. I am not accusing Londonstani of this, but there is a troubling amount of misplaced hope amongst some folks in Sufis as a counterpoint to puritanical Islamists. Perhaps in the case of Pakistan Sufis might provide a useful moderate ally, but I agree with the author's statements about the dangers of the divide and rule strategy. I would also advise against any sort of hasty alliances made or material support given.
While some Sufis were peaceful, ecumenical sorts, others were militant (sometime defending their homelands and sometime as Muslim imperialists) and puritanical. Sufis were central players in some anti-colonial movements. It could be argued that in some contexts "sufi" overlapped with "ghazi." Sufism, like Islam, is a worldwide, dynamic cultural and social phenomenon and therefore full of seeming contradictions. It's been around for a thousand years! Perhaps it is better to speak of Sufism(s) just as some scholars speak of Islam(s), but keeping in mind that believers won't see it this way.
Sufis will kick Salafis ass
Sufis will kick Salafis ass anytime, plus twice in the Summer. Salafis have the bombs and the suiciders, but the Sufis have the love. Sufis will win because we love the Peace a little too much.
What is the status of Sufism
What is the status of Sufism vs. Deobandism within FATA? Is it different now than within the Punjab?
Whereas the Sufi/Deobandi
Whereas the Sufi/Deobandi divide is important, I wouldn't put it down to everything. At the core of the issue is an ideology that says "we are suffering because we aren't acting as proper Muslims. Being proper Muslims would rid us of our problems (poverty, social ills etc) and restore our honor because it would rid us of these foreigners and their agents who are, and always have been, hell bent on subjugating us. Oh, and all that stuff we used to do like praying at shrines and allowing our women to go to the market.. yeah, that wasn't properly Muslim. So we need to fix the small things before we can go on to the big things". In NWFP, effective government - hell, any government - as been absent for a very long time. People going up to the villages in NWFP in Islamabad-registered vehicles often complained of being denied food and water in roadside guest houses.. and this was when things were good. They had to explain they were not government employees before hospitality was offered. And this is Pashtun land. People who decided it was ok to fight a superpower rather than appear to break the code of hospitality... so you can imagine they were pretty annoyed with "their" government. The point being, that a fighter doesnt need to sign on to the whole ideology. He could still go to his family shrine and recite the poetry of Rehman Baba... at some point someone might tell him that he really shouldnt. The factors that make him sign up to fight are more than just the religious justification. In FATA and NWFP as a whole, rural society works in a different way than punjab. A leader is only a leader while he can prove himself capable to his peers (which is what the other men in the village are). A certain knowledge of religious matters is part of that capability. I suspect the present conflict is affecting this set up by adding the dimension of a new religious outlook that is presented as more authentic than the local version. But i don't know of many studies looking into this. It's not that Deobandism makes people fight and Sufism makes them supine. But the ideological trends within some strands of deobandism change the factors that justify violence, the scale of the violence and the identification of the enemy.Great post. It smacks of
Great post.
It smacks of colonialism...I think that has a lot more cachet on the Eastern side of the Pond. We're not colonizing, we don't want any part of it. That was the "ignoring" Afghanistan and Pakistan after the common enemy left. Of course being ignored is justification for jihad too, isn't it?
Uhhh...they're not really fighting the Superpower..yet. For one thing, they haven't seen any bit of the Super part. Robot drones ....LOL.
Does everyone notice that in the Violent vs Non-Violent smackdown that guns/bombs/poison wins over moderate stance "...they say they are acting in the name of religion. That is why we issued a fatwa to refute their claims to have religious justifications for their actions."
Moderate non-violence vs Any Violence: edge: Violence.
If only we can have the same
If only we can have the same technology in Avatar, we can totally infiltrate these Muslim minds and their backwardness.
Londonstani, it might be
Londonstani, it might be interesting to take a wider view. I see a conflict in this story. There is the discussion of wages. Chacha (uncle) supports eight children on about £7.40 a day, which takes him 12 hours of driving to earn. I do not think that people like Chacha are supporting violent causes with their wages, no matter how they feel about the west. Who is paying for the explosives? Who manufactured them? Who paid for the poison? What type was it and is it locally available. There is discussion of conflicting Muslim ideals yet it takes collective funding to express violent means. The individual contribution maybe pure in motive, is the sum-of-the-total still pure?
Who and what are the motives of the gate keeper of the funds? Your historical aspect is good, but what is happening is now, based on today's reality. Looking at all the factions and the disagreements, it does not sound plausable to hold all the ideas together in anything close to being actionable. There has to be a higher involvement putting together the stategy. Who is going to gain? The Taliban, by themselves, can not support this.
This would be the great story, if it could be written.
It's important to keep in
It's important to keep in mind posts like this while discussing "alternative narratives" and the like that often spring up in debates about societal/religious causes for radicalization. Too often, arguments are made that the U.S., U.K., Dutch, etc. need to develop counter-narratives to the violent-promoting dictums of some radicals. I think Londonstani brings up a salient point that what we should be encouraging is not a black/white dichotic worldview where all we need to do is develop the right peace-loving message and sell the percieved risk population on it. We need to find ways to encourage debate among religious sects/groups and let violent extremism wither against its own contradictions and faulty assumptions. To this point, prison de-radicalization initiatives in Singapore and Indonesia may be good starting templates.
so in that spirit... "..all
so in that spirit...
"..all we need to do is develop the right peace-loving message and sell the percieved risk population on it."
In the Spirit of the Season, I shall only silently ROFL. Silent night, Holy night, silent ROFL night....Peace, Love and PopTarts.
It's not radical. It's core. peace is the radical strain we are discussing introduction of...
Anyone hoping to understand
Anyone hoping to understand the Deobandi school has to read Barbara Metcalf's study.
I think if you watch
I think if you watch "Avatar", you'll come to the same revelation as I have (in 3D) that the Sufis are the Na'vi and the Salafis are the SecFor mining the unobtainable unobtainuim,
or
SecFor is BAE, CACI, Halliburton and KBR, while the Na'vi are the Salafis and the Sufis are the beautiful digitized special effects of Pandora's natural wonder,
or
Sigourney Weaver's Avatar program is like BAE's Human Terrain thinga ma jig, and the fact that her character is a solid believer of the Sufis (Na'vi) and reads Rumi, we too should take Londonstani's position and support the Sufis,
We need to watch Drumline and Star Trek (JJ Abrams) to be able to understand Sufism and its beautiful and peaceful interpretation of Islam.
Not getting a lot of support
Not getting a lot of support from this side of the pond on the peace thing, are we? Too bad. Not that the author of this post is hawking it, but is quite skeptical himself in the posting.
It may just be me, but over here we are 1) taking a lot more notice of terrorism over here now...2) taking a very skeptical view of previous PC it's nothing to do with religion canards, 3) Nervous in general.
Haven't seen it like this in years in fact. I speculate it's Ft Hood, the NYC trials and GITMO transfers to US soil (which means Federal Judges release them amongst us) and probably a general lack of confidence in the Bambi King.
With Bush and Darth Cheney, you didn't worry much about not being enuf of the asshole. With Captain Creampuff you might in theory be getting less shit at the diplomatic and Euro academe circuit - in practice not - but you just don't feel as safe as before.
This comment came through on
This comment came through on email as the poster wasn't able to post it him/her self. I thought it best to add it here to continue the debate: "Supporting the Barelvis materially against the Deobandis is a dangerous logic to follow. It smacks of the sort of colonial and cold war era policies that pitted one group of "natives" against another and led to decades of warfare." Uhmm, don't follow. One reason so many Afghans, Iraqis, Iranians and Indian muslims are against the Salafi extremists is because of Sufi influence. (Since Ali is central to the Sufi traditions, Shiism has always been more Sufi in orientation.) Why can't nonmuslims, Shiites, Sufis, and "normal" Sunnis collaborate to dismantle extremists? Hasn't this very thing worked in much of the muslim world (including Iraq, Indonesia, Malaysia, India, Turkey, in much of the former USSR and China--which has over 50 million muslims)? In what way is this "colonial" or "cold war" or pitting one group of "natives" against another? Londonstani, why should any of us let the extremists define narrative? Don't all of us share a common humanity? Nonmuslims, traditional Sunnis, Shiites and Sufis are all human beings, and share a lot more in common with each other than any of them do with the crazy extremists. "At the same time, it overlooks the divisions within the ranks of Pakistan's "traditional Muslims"" I am not sure this is true. The extremist Takfiris have been a part of Islam since the 630s AD. Traditional Muslims have been resisting them from the beginning. "But one practical and realistic suggestion the Barelvis did raise was of moral support from the wider community of Islamic leadership." Would the endorsement of Indonesian, Malaysian, Indian, Chinese, Russian, Iranian, Turkish and Iraqi muslim leaders help? Many nonArab muslims feel hurt that Arab hard line Sunnis regard them as only partly authentic muslims. Will the support of nonArab muslims help Pakistani muslims? "Despite their numbers, the Barelvis are in danger of being bullied into silence." If Iraqi, Iranian, Afghan, Indian, Chinese, Central Asian, Indonesian, Malaysian and Turkish muslims openly speak out about the extremists; why can't Pakistani Barelvis be held to the same standards? Why is Pakistan and some Sunni Arab countries the only places where "normal" muslims feel afraid to speak out? Why are Barelvis "bullied into silence" when most muslims in most countries don't allow extremists to bully them into silence? Pakistan's problems are primarily the responsibility of Pakistanis, including the Barelvis and Shiites (who are after all as Pakistani as the next person.) It is partly the fault of the Barelvis and the Shiites for allowing Pakistan to come to the point where they feel afraid to speak out, and where the survival of Pakistan is threatened. They should both should have spoken out much more in the 1940s - 1970s. Neither the Barelvis nor the Shiites can absolve themselves of their responsibility for Pakistan's current plight. "Their stance makes them appear as government - and therefore Western - stooges." So what? This is an elected Pakistani government after all. Why aren't Iraqi, Iranian, Turkish, Afghan, Indian, Chinese, Central Asian, Indonesian and Malaysian muslim leaders (Sunni and Shia; traditional and Sufi) afraid of appearing as "government - and therefore Western - stooges." Londonstani, why are Pakistanis allowed to be cowards when nonPakistani muslims are not cowards. Pakistan isn't occupied or greatly influenced by foreigners. Many other muslim countries are far more influenced by foreigners than Pakistan, and they don't seem to have these problems. Heck, Indonesia had the UN/Australia/Malaysia/Sergio/US take away East Timur from them in 1999. Indonesia has suffered from frequent American sanctions since the 1960s, much of it unfair. Indonesia is far more the victim of foreigners than Pakistan has ever been. Maybe Pakistanis would object and point to 1971 Bangladesh. But seriously, Bangladesh is the fault of the Deobondi/Wahhabi/Salafi/Takfiri extremists that abused the heck out of Bengalis. Is it any surprise that the Bengalis wanted to get as far away from the Deobondi/Wahhabi Saudi/Salafi/Takfiri wackos, including if it meant leaving Pakistan? The Bengalis might never have left if the Barelvis and Shiites had spoken out on their behalf sooner. Together, the Barelvi,s, Shiites, normal Sunnis, Bengalis, Muhajirs, Balochis, ANP, and others might have succeeded in moderating and serving Pakistan; if they had worked together and spoken up sooner. Pakistan is not the victim of any foreign conspiracy aside from the Wahhabi Gulfies. Pakistan's problems are self inflicted. "Their opponents portray them as quietist fatalists who are unwilling to stand up for the honour of Islam. And if their opponents dominate the public Islamic discourse - as they are on course to do - anyone in Pakistan who opposes armed insurrection against the state and a fight to the death against anything that hints of tolerance, moderation and discourse will be forced into silence." The Barelvis, other Sufis, and Shiites are smart people. They are more than smart enough to defend their own positions publicly if they choose. If they choose not to save their own country by working together and standing up to the extremists, then they have only themselves to blame. The reason public opinion in Pakistan (and some Sunni Arab countries) is so completely out of wack with the rest of the Ummah is because traditional muslims inside Pakistan have chosen to remain silent, while traditional muslims in most muslim countries have chosen "NOT" to remain silent. Londonstani, I really don't understand the "victim" mentality of many Pakistanis. Foreigners have not mistreated Pakistanis nearly as badly as they have the large majority of other countries. Pakistan is fortunate to have the neighbors that it does. Not many countries have the forbearance of Iran, India, Russia, Afghanistan, and China, that put up with Pakistani based extremists attacking their country without retaliating against Pakistan. All of Pakistan's neighbors have repeatedly offered their hand of friendship to Pakistan. So have Japan, Europe and North America (who have given Pakistan enormous quantities of foreign aid.) The Barelvis should tell the Salafi extremist crazies that Pakistani based extremists do not have the right to attack other countries from Pakistani soil. If Pakistani based extremists choose to attack nonPakistanis, then all Pakistanis share a common obligation to defeat the extremists by all means necessary, even if the cost is hundreds of thousands of dead Pakistanis. The Barelvis should draw inspiration from Abraham Lincoln and many other leaders who told their people much harsher truths than that. Londonstani, maybe you can ask Pakistanis to read Abraham Lincoln's 2nd Inaugural, which seems especially relevant to Pakistan: "if God wills that it [America's bleeding and suffering] continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."" Even if Pakistan pays a lot more blood and treasure to dismantle the Pakistani based extremists which Pakistanis chose to allow to flourish on Pakistani soil for decades, even then "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."in response I would say that
in response I would say that by "material" help, I meant that we shouldn't be tooling up one side against the other. But should we (or others) help bolster the voice of the more rational, inclusive, tolerant and moderate side? Yes. The other side gets plenty of help. And events (or their perceptions) help the less rational side anyway. But what no right thinking person should want to do is arm one side and cause the potential for more bloodshed. The argument will be one or lost through the ability to convince. i don't think blithely going off in the direction of a conflict that leads to the deaths of "hundreds of thousands" is the answer. Those hundreds and thousands will definitely include a good few non-Pakistanis.I have trouble understanding
I have trouble understanding one part of the Pakistan extremism problem: Madrassas.
How can the teachers of the Madrassas, in good conscience, teach these kids the Koran, and only the Koran? Does the Koran have an appendix on crafts? On machine shops? On electrical/plumbing skills? On algebra/geometry? If all you know is the Koran (and ancillary religious texts), you're only qualified to teach the Koran. They don't have enough teaching vacancies in the madrassas to accommodate all these Koran expert graduates.
That the madrassas fail to teach any working livelihood to their students (other than memorizing a thick book) is absolutely criminal, in my opinion.
And when these graduates can't find work upon graduation, of course, who can they blame? Surely not the madrassas who have fed them for the past 18 years (or however long it was.) No, it's the evil, imperialistic Yankees and their stooges in Islamabad who's keeping them down. Big surprise.
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