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Preventing Terrorism at Home - The View from Ground Zero

Londonstani spent most of the summer on a housing estate clinging to the outskirts of Bristol. The job in hand was to investigate racism for a documentary by living as an immigrant in the kind of area many recent arrivals are housed in by local councils. But the experience also shed light on how the process of radicalisation plays out on the streets of modern Britain. Considering the recent debate about Prevent in the UK, Londonstani thinks it'll be useful to share his observations.

British readers will have little difficulty guessing Londonstani's identity from this post, but he would very much appreciate they keep it to themselves as full disclosure will threaten continued posting from Pakistan.

(preemptive apologies to Ma Exum and Lady Muqawama for some of the language in this post)

I'm used to hearing people in the Muslim world talk about life in Britain as a utopian fantasy. In Pakistan, on a daily basis, i hear rich and poor people talk about Britain's civilised society, it's impartial justice system and the humanitarian founding principles of a health system that provides care for all. Sometimes, I try to inject a little realism into the discussion by pointing out our social problems and the frequent complaints about the deteriorating quality of the country's social services. But I can almost see the words bounce off people's glazed expressions. This is not restricted to Pakistan. Even people in more stable countries like Egypt allow themselves to think of life in a developed economy as a heaven-like dream.

This summer, I saw reality hit home for those few who make it to Britain. I was sitting at a bus stop on the edge of Bristol's Southmead Estate. Beside me was a Sudanese man with his young daughter, who seemed about six years old. We sat on the same bench as he asked her about school and her homework. He had no reason to think I understood his northern Sudanese Arabic dialect, and I felt guilty being an unintended party to a private conversation between a father who looked like he'd just finished a long shift as a security guard at a supermarket and a child, who was plainly excited to be out with her father. 

I reached into the paint-splattered overalls that were meant to make me look like a Pakistani immigrant doing odd jobs to survive in his new home and pulled out a cigarette, hoping that leaning against the bus stop away from the Sudanese family would let me tune out of their conversation. On the other side of the road was another bus stop. A group of local girls, none older than 15, were talking to each other loudly. Amongst all the squealing, the only words I could make out were "fuck", "bastard" and "cunt". Occasionally one of the girls would pull her skirt up at a passing car of boys and the others would cheer and hand her a bottle of brightly coloured liquor to swig from. Every now and again, one of the cars would stop and another girl might stand in front of the passenger window and pull down her top. The boys would try and persuade them to get in. Eventually, two of the girls got into a crowded little car with wide tyres and lowered suspension.

I had been absent mindedly watching the events in front of us. After the car drove away, the Sudanese father turned to his daughter and said; "That's what English girls are like. Never talk to people like that."

A few days later at the same bus stop, two Indian low-grade computer technicians were discussing their new home. They probably assumed I understood their Hindi, but they didn't seem to care. They spoke of near daily verbal abuse and friends who had been attacked by teenage thugs.  England, they decided, wasn't what they thought it was. Just before they got on their bus, a group of teenagers outside the chip shop behind us proved the technicians' point by rounding on a passing elderly local.

"Look out, he's a perv," shouted one boy. Before another pushed the girl standing next to him in front of the old man and said, "I bet you wish you could fuck her". They all then burst into laughter.

Southmead is the Britain that most people do not see. This is perhaps understandable if you live abroad. But judging from comments after the broadcast of the documentary, people in Britain's more affluent areas are unaware of what happens in neighbourhoods literally on their doorsteps. The little attention places like Southmead merit on the public's radar, is inversely proportional to their physical presence. Places like Southmead exist on the borders of every British city and inside the largest ones. A very large proportion of Britain's immigrants live in places like Southmead and a sizeable chunk of the white population has grown up in similar surroundings. 

I saw these surroundings at close quarters. Hundreds of cans of high-strength cider littered the streets every Saturday and Sunday. I saw unemployed drunken youths accost shoppers in the mornings. The green spaces that looked inviting from afar were littered with used condoms, pregnancy test kits and the excrement of pitbull dogs that were popular pets amongst residents. In the daytime, teenage mothers pushed young children around the estate. I saw the partner of one young mother call a toddler a "fucking little shit" before smacking him hard enough on the back of the head to make the child drop to his knees and cover his head in the expectation of further violence. In the early evenings, young teenagers would sit at benches swigging from bottles of cheap alcohol. On one occasion, I became their target.

As an immigrant in Southmead, segregating yourself and your family was an act of self preservation. Two young British-born Pakistani boys I talked to told me earnestly that they were good because "we aint got no white friends". There were many helpful and kind local people living on the estate. But the few I bumped into were often quick to distance themselves from their environment. A retired man who used to try to talk to me every morning at another bus stop would freeze when tatooed men with aggressive dogs walked by. Young mothers who used the same stop would talk about needing to move out "for the sake of the kids".

The impulse to segregate was compounded by the messages that seemed to reinforce the idea that the treatment in Southmead reflected the mood and views of the rest of Britain. "Hundreds of thousands of migrants here for handouts, says senior judge". "Britain paying migrants £1,700 to return home BEFORE they've even got here" "The violent new breed of migrants who will let nothing stop them coming to Britain" These headlines were just three of many that were printed in the Mail, a right-wing daily during my time in Southmead. I don't usually take much notice of the headlines in the Sun and the Mail unless they are truly shocking, but in Southmead the headlines seemed to have an impact on the treatment we received. The level of low-level hostility from adults seemed to be directly linked to the content of the headlines. More outright hostility from younger adults and children followed a day or so later.

Walking around the estate, I often thought of British Pakistani and Somali boys growing up thinking their experiences were an accurate portrayal of what Britain was about. I imagined growing up with such a view of Britain would make the idea of fighting UK forces in Muslim lands seem righteous. On the battlefields of Iraq and/or Afghanistan, the young soldiers they would face would likely include the white youngsters who joined up hoping the army was their way out of Southmead.

But the army wasn't the only way out. There was also religion. If you decide that the dysfunctional reality of Southmead is a product of a permissive society, austere religion is a logical answer.

I met one man from Southmead who had made that decision. A local man had embraced a strict form of Islam. He told me that the problems of the area resulted from weak family values and a moral laxity that allowed the misuse of drugs and alcohol. Islam had provided him a way out and a template for a better life than the one he had seen growing up. Although we talked for literally minutes, it was easy to tell I was talking to a mature adult who made a considered decision that had helped him live as a productive and responsible member of society.

I heard of at least another local man who had embraced Islam. I didn't meet him but I read about him in the newspapers while he was on trial for trying to bomb a shopping centre in the city. When police raided his flat they found a suicide vest and explosives hidden in a biscuit tin.

Andrew Ibrahim is the son of middle class parents, who news reports said were Egyptian Christians. During the trial, a picture emerged of a young man with serious emotional and drug abuse problems. It was a picture I had come across before when looking at a new emerging breed of extremists who came from criminal backgrounds and actively sought out extremist Islam as a way of depicting their activities as more than mere criminality and a route to a new identity as warriors in a cosmic battle.

News reports said Ibrahim described the UK as a "dirty toilet". How much of his view was influenced by the surroundings of his upbringing?

The judge presiding over the trial, which ended with Ibrahim getting a life term, summed up the prosecution's portrayal of Ibrahim as one of a young man who suffered a disturbed adolescence and went on to become lonely, angry and alienated from society. The description could fit any number of young men in Southmead and other places like it. Not all will turn to extremism, but they will likely be drawn to other forms of angry destructive behaviour.

The ingredients that make a British terrorist are numerous, interact with each other in different ways and are changing constantly. Just looking at "Britishness" or identity fails to take into account the growing numbers of extremists that are emerging from non-Muslim backgrounds. But what affects one person doesn't necessarily affect another. Ibrahim's brother Peter was reported to be a Oxbridge educated lawyer. But whatever the ingredients are, it was clear from my time in Southmead that it's easier to find them in places that suffer social deprivation. And the UK has many of them.

The discussion about Muslim immigrants turning to extremism often centres around them not wanting to integrate into British life. But it never addresses the fact that many come with high hopes of a new life, and find reality bitterly dispiriting. They come to take advantage of social mobility and a law-abiding society to build a better life for their families. They end up feeling they need to protect their families from the very society they had idolised. Why don't they go home? Many people I met from more stable parts of the world talked about it "after saving enough". But like others before them, chances are that they will stay. People who had come with a fantasy of Britain ended just seeing it as an opportunity to earn and a contagion to avoid.

Government policy seeks to target resources to fix problems in the most cost effective manner. However, the problem of extremism now involves society as a whole. Pre 9/11 it was limited to a section of a section of the population. That has grown with the advent of the Iraq war and the emergence of an image of Muslim militants as righteous men ready to stand against a superpower and the ability to make the established powers of the world look impotent. It's an image that appeals to people of diverse backgrounds who are disillusioned with their societies. People who aren't necessarily observant Muslims, or even Muslims at all. But at the same time, the increasingly obvious bloodlust of the men and women drawn to the cause has alienated most Muslims.

What does that mean for initiatives like Operation Contest's Prevent aspect? (thanks davidpfbo) On the one hand, allies and partners are easier to identify, but the work that needs to be done has to reach out to more people and address wider issues in our society. Despite the protests of individual voices lobbying for the adoption of their own outlook, work on identity, engagement with more authentic Islamic voices and community work (including seemingly unconnected activities like sports) all have a roll to play. The undertaking is huge and constant fine tuning is vital. It also involves sums that the British government will struggle to find.

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Visitor: I havent seen much of hindu lands being attacked recently, either. I have a feeling that if the US was to occupy Kashmir, the percentage of hindu bombers would rise.

For a understandding of the muslim to US killratio these last 30 years, see : http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2009/11/30/why_they_hate_us_ii_how_m...

In the Koran, Allah orders Muslims to kill Christians and Jews. They are just pleasing their Allah and following his orders. Remember the kinder, gentler Chapters in the Koran is superceded, substituted with something better (mansookh), by the more violent Chapters. This is the true Islam.

I wish he'd just join the jihad, or the Neo-Nazi's and just come out of the closet.

That table is of course highly misleading, as Walt himself somewhat explains. For instance all of the 100K it cites as Iraqi deaths due to US sanctions (they were international BTW, and the US took the lead in getting them modified to allow for food, medicine, humanitarian aid..which Saddam and the UN whores turned into a scam too) - well, all those deaths need to be laid at the Baathist regime, which enriched itself while it's people starved.

But that's our fault too. Uh Huh. Sniveling unmanly victim C*nts. If Uday Hussein for instance had restricted himself to 365 Rolex's - one for every day of the year- instead of thousands then all those people could have ate and received medical care.

But it's a consequence of "our policies". Yes, everyone else's policies are blameless. I suppose we are responsible for the Algerian bloodbath, and will be responsible for Pakistan's.

More on that table - Saddam's policies alone killed more Muslims, Arab and Persian during the Iran/Iraq war.

And most of the Iraqi civilian deaths were Muslim on Muslim, indeed Iraqi on Iraqi.

I am actually really glad Bammy's getting us out of the World and the Business of keeping the globe from blowing itself up, which he is whether he realizes it or not. If you've missed the subtext - Bye Bye NATO. Shoulda given him Astan troops, run deficits like him (that's one for you Germany) , oh and the Olympic snub didn't help either. If you missed the point of not attending the Anniversary of the Fall of the Wall, pulling the rug out from under Poland on the 60th Anniversary of Stalin's invasion (with his then BFF Hitler)....BYE BYE. This is how they repay disloyalty in Chicago. Shoulda boned up Chi-Town politics that before you got so high on HopeyChangey County Humble America Bud. Maybe you should hire Blago as a consultant, he's looking for a gig.

In Pakistan, on a daily basis, i hear rich and poor people talk about Britain's civilised society, it's impartial justice system and the humanitarian founding principles of a health system that provides care for all

Are you sure that it just doesn't seem a paradise by comparison with Pakistan ? You can only speak of what you know.

When a British citizen, Mirza Tahir Hussain, was sentenced to death for murder in Pakistan, all the immigrant advocacy groups and organisations like the Muslim Council of Britain at once pointed out that the Pakistani justice system was like the rest of the state bureacracy - hopelessly corrupt and incompetent (Hussein was pardoned after various interventions including the Prince of Wales).

http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/2008/06/big-thoughts.html

The writer's 100% correct on the disaster that is the UK underclass, though. The Cultural Revolution of the 1960s has triumphed and peaceful, civilised, Christian Britain is no more. The decline is brilliantly documented in Peter Hitchens' "The Abolition of Britain"

http://ukcommentators.blogspot.com/search/label/underclass

Here's another view of Pakistan/UK, from VS Naipaul's "Among The Believers", written nearly thirty years ago :

The business was organised. Like accountants studying tax laws, the the manpower-export experts of Pakistan studied the world's immigration laws and competitively gambled with their emigrant battalions: visitor's visas overstayable here (most European countries), dependants shippable there (England), student visas convertible there (Canada and the United States), political asylum to be asked for there (Austria and West Berlin), still no visas needed here, just below the Arctic Circle (Finland). They went by the planeload. Karachi airport was equipped for this emigrant traffic ...

Abroad, the emigrants threw themselves on the mercies of civil liberties organisations. They sought the protection of the laws of the countries where the planes had brought them. They or their representatives spoke correct words about the difference between poor countries and rich, South and North. They spoke of the crime of racial discrimination and the brotherhood of man. They appealed to the ideals of the alien civilisations whose virtues they denied at home.

And in the eyes of the faithful there was no contradiction. Home was home, home wasn't like outside; ecumenical words spoken outside didn't alter that.

WASHINGTON, D.C. – U.S. Rep. XXXXXXXXX tonight strongly criticized the Obama Administration plan to increase U.S. troop levels in Afghanistan as “exactly the reverse” of what the U.S. government should be doing.

“The terrorism we are seeking to destroy is an amorphous presence, spread throughout the globe, with little in the way of an ideological, geographical or infrastructure base. The people we are fighting in Afghanistan are mostly militant territorial warlords whose tactics cannot be overcome by conventional warfare, as demonstrated by the history of invaders who have been vanquished there. Their safe havens, wherever they exist, can be taken out with superior intelligence and superior technology without threat to America’s shores."

We will agree to disagree.

I have tossed CT and COIN back and forth. You also know that I have researched the discussion and pushed some information your way. There is no doubt that the "war on terrorism" is a global issue. The guys that agree to COIN, put a pin on the map in Afghanistan and say, "this is the epicenter". The CT people radiate away from the epicenter as say,"what about this, this, and, this". Everyone is right. The US is heavily spending in South America, Congress funded the expansion of the Colombian military bases and Chavez went ballistic (blew up two foot bridges that linked the countries). In Mexico, the US is funding the Merida agreement. South America is about drugs, but there is linkage to terrorism. America has been fighting the drug war for since the Nixon administration, now it is an anti-terrorist war. Somalia is definitely being more radicalized each day. There is proof that we have a boots on the ground presence already in Somalia, a black community team collected intel on the Najibullah Zazi case. Between Embassy bombings, drug trade, Libya, and pirating ships we have a lot of reason to be active in Africa.

We are already doing CT globally and paying a lot for the pleasure. Our cash cow walked out of the barn a long time ago, it is hard to use Afghanistan as an example to reduce the spending.

I still believe COIN is the right direction in Afghanistan. Anything less, we are just swatting flies, there will always be another fly. We need to some how address the concept of terrorism as an idea, CT just does not deal with ideology ("the amorphous presence"). CT is only a defense, a disruption of their activity. If we do not build an Afghan Police force and government pay for it, America will continue to pay for CT as long as the amorphous presence exists. It is about the cost of ownership, the long term economics of choosing CT .vs.COIN.

The Afghan COIN strategy needs to be well planned and executed. The risk I see in Afghanistan is their economy. Nation building is hard enough, building an economy is even harder. Iraq has oil. Not sure what Afghanistan has. If the COIN goal is to raise a 400,000 man army, they have to be paid. And paid again the next year, then the next. You can run the numbers for yearly salaries, and the total gets big quickly. It is hard to get your arms around the answer.

This is an interesting news release (link, after this paragraph). Really, I think Karzai is countering Obama's withdraw date and showing his political intelligence. Same as Pakistan's ten percent leader, keep American active (CT all the way), keep the 10% coming. The COIN strategy needs to really look at the ability for Afghanistan to pay the bill of a standing army. This is were the concept of "One tribe at a time" comes to play. There never has been an effective government, the tribal people in the mountain areas dislike central government involvement in their community and do not have a concept of taxes (good republicans). The mountain tribes are a good percentage of the total Afghan population. I do not know how to build a government without including all the population in the discussion. That is the challenge.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8400806.stm

Then you see stories like this( link below ). Money is flying, literally, out of the Afghanistan.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-afghanistan-cash7-200...

Several ways to look at this article corruption, drug trade supporting terrorism, or business sense to build an economy. Take your pick at want you want to believe. Only COIN has a chance to address all the issues. CT will not change the culture of planting opium as food crop (there is an oxymoron), it only goes after the terrorist.

I still do no have a comprehensive concept in my mind of the "radical Islamic terrorist identity". Who are they? Terrorism is crime, you need have a country with a strong enough police force to address crime. Afghanistan will exist for a long time to come. Who is going to supply the police force? The US or Afghanistan? Which strategy has the most cost, over many years?

I do not think America is getting tired of Afghanistan, we are getting tired of paying taxes to be the World's Police Force.

@What goes around...

"Some feel radicalization in the United States has been worse than authorities thought for some time. Yes, but ....

"People focused on the idea that we're different, we're better at integrating Muslims than Europe is," said Zeyno Baran, a scholar at the Hudson Institute, a think tank in Washington. "But there's radicalization -- especially among converts [and] newcomers, such as the Somali case shows. I think young U.S. Muslims today are as prone to radicalization as Muslims in Europe." I don't know about that.

And in the Somali case they 1) may not have integrated as well as people coming to find work, freedom, etc. They came to escape a war zone. 2) Given Somali the last 25 years plus, they definitely arrived hardened and probably already prone to being radical and 3) I'd love to see a study on successful integration vs unsuccessful that factors in being met by the US grievance industry and welfare, as opposed to get a job or it's a hungry, cold time in MN, NY, or NJ.

It is about our self image. Why do we go to foreign lands and fight?

Projecting our self image : My idea is better than your idea, it is why people radicalize

It is time to start at home.....That goes for UK too.

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE5B74AI20091208

I am not saying that America or the UK ideal is better. Far from it. I am saying that the measure of a better idea is the capacity of being flexible, to be self critical. The western world plays out that capacity in the news all the time, we invite radical islam to join the two way discussion.

Radical Islam should do the to do the same. Every time the idea starts, you send some one out to shoot it.

Are you afraid of being wrong?

well at the end of the day an ex-council estate full of drunken chavs is still a step up from the countries that many of these immigrants are fleeing. Although admittedly it does not help that the UK has a blatantly racist media and nothing is done to put an end to it or the BNP. Of course someone in Pakistan is going to look at you with blank eyes because you are describing state funded housing at the cost of rude behaviour and the shouting of insults. Compared to a mosque bombing every week and near civil war... where is the comparison? Would you sooner be called names on the way to the mosque or blown up?

Visitor @ 6:20,

Actually, I think I would rather risk being a victim of random political violence than get habitually insulted on the street. The human being is a social animal: we love being respected by our neighbours. In terms of happiness, that far outranks the benefit of not being exposed to random political violence.

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