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The Value of a Lessons Learned Process
I was on a plane to the Middle East on Sunday evening when I spotted these lines from Leon Panetta's op-ed in the Washington Post:
The main lesson from this attack is that, like our military, CIA officers are on the front lines against al-Qaeda and its violent allies. They take risks to confront the enemy, gathering information to destroy its networks and disrupt its operations. This is a vicious foe, one that has struck our country before and is determined to do so again.
As an agency, we have found consolation in the strength and heroism of our fallen colleagues and their families.
We have found no consolation, however, in public commentary suggesting that those who gave their lives somehow brought it upon themselves because of "poor tradecraft." That's like saying Marines who die in a firefight brought it upon themselves because they have poor war-fighting skills.
The op-ed was, written, I believe, in response to commentary like this op-ed by Reuel Marc Gerecht arguing that poor tradcraft was, in fact, at least in part to blame for the deaths of seven U.S. operatives and one Jordian agent. I myself do not know much of anything about the tradecraft of an intelligence officer at the CIA, so I am not going to pass judgment on what happened in eastern Afghanistan. What Panetta wrote above, though, sure does trouble me.
Panetta assumes that is beyond the pale to say that Marines or U.S. soldiers died in a firefight due to poor war-fighting skills, but that in fact has happened quite regularly over the course of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. Every single firefight U.S. soldiers and Marines engage in is subject to an admirably honest after action review (AAR). Readers of this blog no doubt count themselves as veterans of many an AAR held everywhere from Fort Polk, Louisiana to Bagram Airbase, Afghanistan. In some military mini-disasters -- like the hapless convoy that was ambushed during the Battle of Nasiriyah and resulted in the capture of Jessica Lynch -- an extensive AAR process reveals that soldiers died because they did, in fact, possess poor war-fighting skills. (After Nasiriyah, that particular finding led many within the U.S. Army to stress the importance of basic rifle marksmanship and maintenance for even so-called "support" soldiers.)
The military is, by now, used to engaging in a pretty frightful AAR process that, when successful, lays bare the weaknesses of fighting organizations tested by realistic training or combat. When aggressive national security journalists don't think the U.S. Army or Marine Corps is being honest enough, they do not hesistate to say so. (Exhibit A.) So in conclusion, it is not, in fact, taboo to say that Marines died because they have poor war-fighting skills. Marines do sometimes die because they have poor war-fighting skills. And when that happens, the U.S. Marine Corps relies, like the U.S. Army, on a vigorous AAR process to identify faults in training, leadership and equipment.
One can only hope that the CIA is engaged in a similar process today. But when the director pre-emptively says that the "main lesson" of this loss is that "CIA officers are on the front lines against al-Qaeda and its violent allies", it makes me think the director, at least, is on the defensive. Because that's a pretty anodyne main lesson to draw from this. A visit to any tactical U.S. military unit in Iraq or Afghanistan -- where successes and failings are analyzed and provoke reforms on a daily basis -- tells you it doesn't have to be that way.
The CIA is, of course, conducting an investigation. But an investigation can be a lot different in tone and scope than an AAR. An investigation has a prosecutorial air about it and can focus on factors outside an organization. An AAR, by contrast, should focus on dynamics inside an organization. It should also be conductd in such a way as to encourage honesty from subordinate leaders and participants -- no one should fear for their career. A how-to guide can be found here. Tips and techniques from readers on how to conduct an effective AAR are encouraged in the comments section.
In related news, the report on the failings of U.S. military intelligence in Afghanistan -- and the accompanying recommendations for a way forward -- has been downloaded 9,864 times as of yesterday. That's a new record for a CNAS report. I heard the director of one of the civilian intelligence agencies thought the Flynn report was in part directed toward his agency. It wasn't, but his alleged knee-jerk response -- angry and defensive -- was revealing.
You ignore the long
You ignore the long established and "honorable" tradition of wrapping "political fish" in the flag. Usually, it is Old Glory. Apparently in some cases the Corps flag will do.
In any case, "support the troops" is at heart the rallying cry to support policies. The troops as we know are on their own on the battlefield and once they return home.
Last refuge of ....
First the disclosure of the
First the disclosure of the second enrichment site, then the neutron initiator....then Ali-Mohammadi, a 50-year old lecturer of neutron physics vaporizes.
As Sherlock Homes would say....The game is afoot....."Judging from the extra number of spare neutrons on this man's clothing......."
Seaky Pete has been busy...................touche'
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE60B0WJ20100112
The bombing follows the disappearance in June of Shahram Amiri, a university researcher working for the Atomic Energy Organization, during a pilgrimage to Mecca.
Amiri vanished three months before Iran disclosed the existence of its second uranium enrichment site, near the city of Qom. In December Tehran accused Saudi Arabia of handing Amiri over to the United States.
The thicker the ego, the
The thicker the ego, the thinner the skin.
Not bad for a finacial
Not bad for a finacial rag.....
Guess all those computer gaming skills paid off.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126325146524725387.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDD...
Over 40 countries have military-robotics programs today. The U.S. and much of the rest of the world is betting big on the role of aerial drones: Even Hezbollah, the Iranian-backed Shiite guerrilla force in Lebanon, flew four Iranian-made drones against Israel during the 2006 Lebanon War.
Unlike the U.S. and other militaries, where UAVs are flown by certified, costly-to-train fighter pilots, Israeli defense companies have recently built their UAVs to allow an average 18-year-old recruit with just a few months' training to pilot them.
Yellow cake that is. What
Yellow cake that is. What some icing on that?
http://www.rferl.org/content/Nuclear_Iran_Kazakh_Uranium_Civil_Purposes/...
New Year present for the
New Year present for the anti-COIN guys.
Maybe AQ is not the only reason. Stick this in your Liberal pipe and smoke it.
http://www.rferl.org/content/On_The_AfghanTajik_Border_Villagers_Are_The...
I just wanted to say that I
I just wanted to say that I am among the 9,000 odd people who downloaded the intelligence report and though I admittedly have no experience in this area thought that the findings and suggestions were very constructive and down to earth. Unfortunately it is often really hard for people to accept positive criticism without reaching for entrenched viewpoints
Wow how weird the comments
Wow how weird the comments here are becoming. Its like youre on a list.
But on topic, having worked in industry for some years, Im continualy amazed by the lack of AAR dicipline in the political world. The more I read about the processes of power, the more goggle-eyed I get. The Bremer admin, the Blackwater problem, the questions of legitimacy raised by Abu Ghraib and Gitmo: I dont understand how those patterns of operation can continue to be seen as valid ways of interacting with the umma. Because its the exact same shit we are doing in Afghanistan, with a dollop of COIN thrown in to put lipstick on the pig. (Old Blue, please disagree and show me some results...) Its a serious problem that huge entities are not adaptable to any extent unless the game is existential, and that goes more to the buerocrats than to the military forces.
(And with regards to Yemen: I dont understand why we dont fund an islamic peace-corps equivalent. I just dont get it.)
Human Interest: Is that
Human Interest: Is that supposed to be news? That there is smuggling through the north? lol.
I read a book a couple of
I read a book a couple of years ago called "Class 11" about the first CIA case officers class after 9/11. The author recalled everyone stopping to watch someone on TV talk about the CIA agent who was killed in that prison uprising by captured al Qaeda . in Afghanistan. At one point someone referred to him as a hero, he said at that point one of the retired CIA agents who was teaching the course shouted out in anger something to the effect of "Hero? They had a full Special Forces A-Team and a company of Afghans to provide security and they were in there by themselves." Then he turned to the students and shouted "Don't you ever do anything like that."
I think Panetta is being
I think Panetta is being forced to be on the defensive in regards to the attack at FOB Chapman. This, coupled with the Christmas Day fiasco, hasn't shown the agency in the best of light. With jabs at the IC from everyone including the president, deserved or not, the IC and CIA have yet to define their role in Afghanistan. I find that Panetta's reaction, despite being defensive, is on par with what is expected of him and his agency. This scenario further exemplifies the dilemma of the intelligence world, quiet successes contrasted by catastrophic failures.
Also, I think drawing comparisons between AARs and what ever the agency's equivalent is from Panetta's comments isn't justified in this context. Looking at the audience of Panneta's op-ed, the American public in general as opposed to those who criticize the "poor tradecraft", Panetta is simply trying to gain sympathy from the public. In dealing with the deaths, Im sure the workforce feels betrayed by the public by blaming it on their own agent's tradecraft. Regardless of the validity of that, you would never hear someone on the news blaming a combat death on a marine's poor war fighting skills. I think that Panetta just wants the same standard to be applied to this situation. It may be rash to speculate that the main lesson Panetta will take from this will be that even people in the CIA die in war.
I have sat through
I have sat through activities simular to AAR's. My peers and I just sat there looking at each other as if it was a joke. We were all professionals. The activity started in the mid 1990's. For all I have sat through, I am not sure that much meaningful information came out of the discussion. Sort of like being asked for your weaknesses for a performance summary, you know that there is only so much money in the budget for pay raises and the person asking you the questions determines your pay increase.
Everyone does their best to meet the objective, they are paid professionals and that is why they are there. Things happen and people become self-critical. I wittness one individual about go into melt-down, took the whole failure on himself. He was Asian, I thought he was going to commit hara-kiri in front of us all. Sometimes activities like AAR produce negative behavior. In my experience there is a lot missed that is byond the scope of the group's analysis.
1) How the group was placed in the situation in the first place.
2) Did he objectives set up the group for failure.
3) Events that were outside the groups control.
Really, it is up to the organization to set-up its own AAR process, they are the ones that have to live with it. The people who are asked for inputs do not write the questions or procedure...they are usually done by people with a different schedule and agenda.
lol, visitor 2.59: Its the
lol, visitor 2.59: Its the one invention of communism: Self-critiscism as a ritual cleansing.
Fnord :19. No. Method is
Fnord :19. No. Method is interesting.
The military - while not
The military - while not perhaps the most transparent when it comes to spec ops etc, does have a fairly open tradition of self evaluation. However the intelligence community, with its enshrined sense of security and secrecy is going to be less inclined to engage in an open and frank LL type of discussion.
Which is a damn shame because if you can't learn then you repeat. We have had so much innovation across the military in the past 10 years, as much as I support the spooks, its about time they caught up.
And if Leon Panetta has only just realized that is men and women are on the front lines, then someone needs to show him a map of his area of engagement.
Many institutions in our
Many institutions in our society outside the military could use the self-critical or After Action Review ethos.
I am watching my company (MNC telecom) go thru something along those lines from the C level down, and we watched them admit what was missed and brutal candor on how it was going to be made profitable. This was pushed to every employee, and the management was candid at all levels - to include our futures - and encouraged feedback up. It's not a one off as it's done consistently. So it can be done in organizations outside the military, even in an at will environment like the private sector. Visitor 259 has a point about that..it has to be adopted by the entire organization.
Visitor 259 - we have to do self criticism or as we insist on calling it, the AAR.* We learned it the hard way from our competition in Korea and Vietnam. It was actually to my knowledge adopted by Mao's forces in the 1930's. We learned how well it works for the enemy to our sorrow. AQ and our current enemies practice it as well...and they can correct a deficiency in 24 hours.
*while we're self criticizing, we have a serious case of acronym-itis.
A little project on Lebanese
A little project on Lebanese surfing you might be interested in AM:
http://bloggingthecasbah.blogspot.com/2010/01/preview-of-my-book-on-surf...
Well I guess I am ritually
Well I guess I am ritually cleansed now......better than a high fiber diet.....thank you Mao. This AAR is good stuff.
Keep hearing how self critical the military is....leaves me wondering.
How did we end up going into Afghanistan then Iraq using the Powell Doctrine?
Eight years later, we still have not arrived.
What is 24 hrs in Afghan years....like dog years?
Something is missing.
Y'all be thankful you have
Y'all be thankful you have an AAR process, much less one that is taken seriously.
Imagine being in a Federal agency that had 4 national level exercises in a row dealing with a certain type of WMD and not even 5 years from the last one, there is not one usuable shred of written knowledge left from any of them. Not to mention real world events that have occured in the meantime.
If Bill Murray drove by my office right now piloted by a groundhog I would not be surprised.
It's also partly why I'm still following the COINpalooza because I might steelz some of your ideaz. Gawd bless the DoD and it's 200+ years of doctrine and AAR practice (well really a giant hug to whoever decided to put together the Offical Reports after the Civil War, that's an underated American).
Elf......."We don't make the
Elf......."We don't make the decisions to deploy, go to war, whatever. Our elected officials - elected by all the voters - do that."
That hits one of my points....1) How the group was placed in the situation in the first place.
"The fact the Karzai couldn't get it together? No Afghan govt has got it together since the 1970's."
and another...3) Events that were outside the groups control.
and you could throw in 2) Did he objectives set up the group for failure. .............for good measure..........
I am not beating you up, your analysis is good. Don't get me wrong, AAR is a useful tool. Any endeavour to improve future outcome is useful. My experience is the management does not always practice what it requests. I spent a year of my life working quality issues with Siemens. I was the single point interface. Germans are a piece of work and hard to please, I made trips to German locations talking to management. In the end, Siemens showered use with millions of dollars in orders. Afterwards I sat across from managment a couple layers higher than who I reported to to hear them say, "Hummm, maybe this quality stuff does work". I walked out shaking my head, the same management spent 100,000's dollars training us in quality management. Same management lined their pockets with 10's of millions of dollars by selling, subcontracted, and offshored operations. First they took us private, then they took our benefits. After that they took our jobs then bailed and retired gracefully. We were executing, but they could buy ten workers for each one of us in China. A lot of management decisions took us were we ended, they had golden parachutes, we got the shaft.
Management does not practice what they preach.
Not to beat it to
Not to beat it to death.....
Once you figure out management can not loose and has no skin the game....
1) The ladder climbers service the management any way they can (There are a few that are true believers, others are looking to get in the club and get their tickets punched.)
2) Rest that are smart enough start to develope their own exit strategy and grab what they can on the way out.
3) Most have not figured it out and do what they can to just get through it.
Not to lay blame...
How are Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Powell doing these days.....?
How are Obama, Biden, McChrystal, and Gate going to do in the future.....?
Once you realize what is happening, it is hard to get behind it......
meanwhile, in other news,
meanwhile, in other news, the US has developed a secret jihadi army that has infiltrated the government at all levels, and have thousands of fighters out in the forests, waiting to shoot up your malls. PajamasTV... Gotta love it...
http://www.pjtv.com/v/2934?utm_source=daily%2Bpromo&utm_medium=link&utm_...
Got to say everyone is
Got to say everyone is random in their responses tonight....all over the place... Abu...what did you do?
As for the quote: "We have found no consolation, however, in public commentary suggesting that those who gave their lives somehow brought it upon themselves because of "poor tradecraft."
Dumb statement....why he would even make such a comment on this public commentary is beyond me. This makes me feel this entire situation is 1) either totally F-ed / FOB Chapman should be shut down immediately or 2) this entire situation is fabricated and it never happened. Commonsense says: poor physical security, not tradecraft was responsible for these deaths.
Why wasn't this Jordanian searched? Was it "retarded" gentleman's rules for not searching Tear #1 / Tear #2 personnel when they come to exchange information at FOB Chapman, in a combat environment? What are FOB Chapman's Compound Access Procedures? No one walks through a metal detector? No one is patted down? No General Electric Itemizers are used to swab vehicles or “puff” persons before they enter FOB Chapman? Have we not learned anything from the Mosul mess hall bombing?
Ultimately the person / people responsible for physical security and bodyguard protection for Case Officers at FOB Chapman are at fault. Without pointing fingers, two of the individuals killed in this blast were not Case Officers / Agents of a Foreign Government. Who were they, what were their job titles and their responsibilities? Where they responsible for these deaths? These are the questions that need to be asked.
Most likely these questions and answers won't be released to the general public and we will never know. It's my belief that good physical security procedures, if they were followed at FOB Chapman, those who provide Physical Security might have caught this guy, he would have never entered the compound / he would have given up or detonated before he entered the Controlled Access Area of FOB Chapman. This could have saved the lives of all those involved, including the Jordanian Agent, who is the King's cousin. Imagine this subject being turned over to the Jordanian Intelligence Service... Yeah...think of the possibilities.... and then a quick ending for this Tool.
Embarrassing situation all the way around, bad security and very sad because it could have possibly been avoided.
As for an AAR, it will never happen Abu.
More than likely, it will be far more bureaucratic, like a Accountability Review Board (Google the term Abu) and some people are going to be hung out to dry. God friggin knows how long it will take for physical security improvements to be implemented.... FOB Chapman should be shut down immediately if my gut is telling me right or they need to bring in a problem solver to fix their F-ed up physical security situation. Call in Mr. Winston Wolf!
Now you all can go back to ranting about bullshit or nonsense. Goodnight.
The main lesson from this
The main lesson from this attack is that, like our military, CIA officers are on the front lines against al-Qaeda and its violent allies. That's like saying Marines who die in a firefight brought it upon themselves because they have poor war-fighting skills.
There's no Comparison! Panetta's guys are holed up in some heavily fortified base, guarded by Blackwater and they wait for people to come to them. They are in a bubble, safe as fuck. Only they could've popped their own bubble of their own creation (which they did, by being a little too gullable). Our Marines and soldiers (and the SOC guys) are in where the rubber meets the road, getting dirty with the restless natives. They're dying because they are in the shit, the spooks (except for the former JSOC guys) aren't in the shit. There's no comparison. Panetta should make an apology to our young men and women in uniform for even comparing.
@visitor 259, I don't feel
@visitor 259, I don't feel beat up easily.
You can't quite compare Mil management with a Corporation, in a Corporation the object is to make money. However they've lost sight of the meaning of the word "Corporate", one body. Supposed to make money together. No, I am not that naive. If you think the story you describe is bad (not underestimating the apparently disillusioning effect) check out the saga of Global Crossing. Talk about looting...
As far as our Political Leadership: Yes, they are bi-partisan corrupt whores. We are aware of this, and don't like it.
I don't think you want us doing anything about it.
I'm behind it to defend my country and it's innocents. If the whores want to be whores, well...enjoy the money. Hope we never have the chance to judge you. Don't think for a minute if the enemy gets a good head of steam they can't really tear us apart.
We need some new blood in the leadership, and I can actually point you towards some. It's the young/youngish war vets who are now seeking public office [sarbox: I get nothing out of any election other than entertainment]. You'll actually find a cohort of people who value this archaic concept as a body. Check out CERP. They can be trusted with large amounts of cash - which is always untraceable if you wanted it to be. They didn't.
If this country has a hope in leadership it's these kids. The other hope is the people...who seem to be coming awake.
Amazing. I think I read the other day that foreigners looking at America are wondering how we are going to save ourselves at the last moment, again. Let's hope to see it.
My my my....we have ventured
My my my....we have ventured into new places.
AAR's need to be defined by the folks being judged, not the HR or State Deptment. The people that require the activity need to believe and buy into the in the process from the bottom-to-the-top of the chain of command. Otherwise do not do the activity, you are wasting people's time on lip service.
CIA subcontracted to Xe. Xe did not search the Jordanian. That is a business and contractual agreement between the CIA and Xe. With half the people in country contractors, we have made war a business corporation complete with offshored jobs to India and other places(look at CNAS stats on contractors). The guys that make up Xe (ex-Navy Seals, SF, and others) do not like chart recorders attached to them. They do not want to be questioned about who fired the shot and when. Their handlers know that if they asked the question, they my not have operators anymore (I bet the Blackwater operators will not see serious prosecution). Xe got sloppy, and CIA needs to look at their contractors.
Stepping back and taking the look from 30,000 ft up. Think the nation is in serious need of a total AAR. Not sure who is going to make the rules for that one. The people? With the parties spending millions hiring out to PR firms to manage the campaigns and the costs to run a campaign going into the ozone, I am not sure that the young war vets will even have a chance....unless they sprout a lot of cash. Politicians are just paid talking heads anymore, not sure the person inside believes what the telepropter is listing anymore including an AAR process. Trust? Why would people pay so much to hold and office that pays so much less? Bloomberg proved to us that a person can buy the NY mayors office. I still think a person can pull themself up by their boot straps....a person from outside of politics would be refreshing. For the people by the people....more than a sound bite or PR statement to envoke excitement, a person with true national pride in their heart. I want the person that can win with a $100,000 campaign budget. That would be a rare bird, but a popular one indeed. Maybe give them all $100,000 budgets and see how they manage their campaigns! A true test of the job. Maybe it is time for a third party canidate that can win rather than just split the vote. Then that is not COIN discussion....or is it?????????
How are those for AAR inputs?????
@ Zak, Speaking of
@ Zak,
Speaking of bootstraps, you might be interested in this gentleman's unique take:
global gurerrillas
Zak I don't know if money will talk so loudly in the next election. It's not just about money, otherwise we'd have had President Phil Gramm.
Vets- aint' in it for the $$. I do hope that the loose group/confederation calling itself "Tea Party" links up with them.
100,000 dollar campaign budget: Zak the money is for the media, which overcharges. I say we socialize them, see how they like a dose of the medicine they preach. Let's see how much they like being the gatekeepers then...
http://www.foreignaffairs.com
http://www.foreignaffairs.com/node/65889
The article is pretty dumb, but strike up the hasbara choir nonetheless in 3-2-1 ...
All true enough. But
All true enough. But sometimes you can have the best 'war-fighting skills' in the world and still get yourself massacred. After all war is often desperately unfair, chaotic, random and quite dangerous. Sh1t does happen. Things look easier when AARing stuff with 100% hindsight.
AAR's will never happen....
AAR's will never happen.... Look at what Inman did for buildings and how long it took after Beirut!
How long was it after Kenya and Tanzania?
Stars will go up, bodies will wall and nothing will change for some time... Unfortunate as it is.... it will probably take several decades before someone feels the need to spend money to improve physical security proceedures....
Even then, if it's not worth it....if GE or some other major corps don't make money from it... It will never happen if someone doesn't profit from it...
Pull your head out from your rectum.
What is being forgotten is
What is being forgotten is the simple fact that AQ and the Taliban have been running double agent operations for the last two years---and their egos got the better of the entire CIA team---glory I guess counts more than survival.
Anyone in the comments got a
Anyone in the comments got a pro-link to the Kabul performance?
Visitor 11.35: I think quite
Visitor 11.35: I think quite a few posthumous recipients of medals up through the years agree with the point that sometimes glory outmatches survival. Give the man that: Humam Khalil Mohammed had balls of steel.
Humam Khalil Mohammed killed
Humam Khalil Mohammed killed himself, murdered 6 other people and he was a kamakazi shawarma eating pussy.
You're stupid if you believe he had balls of steel. Only thing he did was vaporize himself, murder and make Americans look stupid, because Jordan can't be trusted and they are not our friend.
Jordan can't be trusted and all of their Military and Intelligence Agents should be told to leave Afghanistan and Iraq immediately. If they cross the boarders / are found, they will be captured, treated like any enemy combatant or killed on sight if they fight.
Humam Khalil Mohammed was no Double Agent. You are a moron and the media / newspapers are being fed this BS mis-information / damage control, so certain individuals can protect Jordan from any negative American backlash from this event.
AQ or Taliban are not running Double Agents.
A member of the Jordanian Intelligence Service made the active decision he wanted to kill American's and that's what he did.
Humam Khalil Mohammed was college educated, a cousin to the King and he made a choice to kill American's.
Don't give Humam Khalil Mohammed any more credit and he deserves. He wasn't very smart. After all, he killed himself, embarrassed his nation, and disgraced the Royal Family.
We are at war with
We are at war with Jordan:
It should be in fact noted he was actually a triple agent. Or does any commenter want to convince me that his jihadi web site was a comeon for the CIA. If the website was an expression of his politics, that he was a devout Muslim, and his village has sent jihadis to Iraq as FFs then convince me was "turned" after couple of days by the Jordanian CI. He "wanted" to be noticed and he was!
And yes there has been reliable reporting\actual evidence of Taliban and AQ double agents in play in Afghanistan---what are those Afghans in Police uniforms shooting US military personnel called other than double agents?
The Agency has always wanted a HVI equal to the Iraq success of JSOC in 2006
Afghans in Police uniforms
Afghans in Police uniforms shooting US military personnel are called Guerrilla's, not double agents. What are you smoking dude? Been hitting the hash pipe?
These people are NOT/NOT trained Operators / Masters of Trade-Craft and Deception in the 21st Century...they are just regular ole Guerrillas and they doing a good job at getting a good punch in every couple weeks.
Again, these people are Guerrilla's....not double or triple agent's. You've watched one to many Bourne Identity movies, Agency is not going to recruit you to save the world and you are not so bright....but keep drinking your Cool-Aid if it makes you feel good.
Guerrilla warfare has been going for a very very long time and it even helped us win the Battle of Saratoga....for our own freedom. General John Burgoyne would probably be impressed with these Camel Fucker's tactics.
Sounds like we need to get back to our Hmong tribe operations, like we did in Nam and just do it again in Afghanistan.....then bomb the shit out of them. Pound them into oblivion.
Speaking of Police, Guerrillas and War... You reminded me about a photo that makes me laugh and shed a tear at the same time. click below.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nguyen.jpg
I'm sure you've seen this photo before. Nguyen Ngoc Loan executes Viet Cong Captain Nguyen Van Lem: February 1, 1968. This photo won the 1969 Pulitzer prize for Eddie Adams.
Some quick facts....
1) The bullet catcher - Lém commanded a Viet Cong assassination platoon of Guerrillas who killed Loan's family just hours prior to this photo being taken.
2) An American Official gave that same .38 revolver as a gift to Loan just a few months prior.
3) Loan pulled the trigger and killed Lem. One less Guerrilla....
4) General Loan is still considered a hero by most Southern Vietnamese and American's who know Vietnam's history.
5) Loan got a free ticket to the United States, opened a pizza restaurant at Rolling Valley Mall and lived in Burke, Virginia.... till he died of cancer. God Bless his soul.... Amen.
6) I hope Afghanistan has several General Loan's in their ranks, who will not flinch when it comes time to cleaning up their Guerrilla problem.
Yeah Loan did the right
Yeah Loan did the right thing, and Eddie Adams regretted the damage he did his life....glad he made it here and made pizza. Most people don't know they the VC suicide squad killed his nieces and nephews...which is the same as immediate family in Asia .... and the progressives don't care. They just don't.
The Afghans who would do this are waiting for us to grow up....then it will be time clean up.
Double agent is a
Double agent is a counterintelligence term for someone who pretends to spy on a target organization on behalf of a controlling organization, but in fact is loyal to the target organization. Double agents may be agents of the target organization who infiltrate the controlling organization, or may be previously loyal agents of the controlling organization who have been captured and turned by the target; the threat of execution is the most common method of turning a captured agent into a double agent.
The criticism can more
The criticism can more properly be seen as criticism of the CIA's tactics in the conflict - and thus as criticism of CIA management, and thus as criticism of Director Panetta. Seen from this perspective, Panetta's statement is a way of deflecting blame away from himself and onto deceased personnel. Here's the implication of Panetta's statement: agency tactics and procedures are solid; deceased personnel died b/c they deviated from established practice. I think Andrew Exum cannot quite fully figure out that what makes him uncomfortable is the way Panetta's statement points the finger of blame away from Panetta and onto deceased personnel. Exum has picked up the scent of what makes him uncomfortable, but has not yet identified the prey.
Something else bothers me:
Even if deceased personnel were operating outside of typical procedure: the buck still stops with Panetta. In other words, either CIA has poor tactics (which is Panetta's responsibility), or CIA personnel routinely ignore proper tactics (which is Panetta's responsibility), or the specific deceased personnel were not up to the task and never ought have been assigned to the task (which is Panetta's responsibility). I'm not calling for Panetta to be thrown from office (yet). Mistakes happen. Leaders are not omniscient. However, when Panetta deflects blame, he is not showing leadership.
The criticism of Panetta's appointment as Director of CIA was: Panetta is a political creature, and knows nothing about intelligence. And now Director Panetta deflects blame. Deflecting blame is what a politician does. It's not what a military leader does - and Panetta ought properly be seen as a leader who is conducting warfare. Deflecting blame is not what good leaders of large organizations do. Rather, it's what bad leaders do. It's as if Panetta is trying to prove his critics right.
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