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Quote of the Day (Transparency Edition)
It's very hard work to run an organization, let alone one that's constantly being spied upon and sued.
Julian Assange, on why his organization does not publish donor information.
What is the over/under on current or former U.S. government officials who read that sentence in today's Wall Street Journal and choked on their coffee? 2,000? 5,000?
It's obviously pretty rich to hear Julian Assange admit that sometimes, secrecy has advantages. Assange wants a standard of transparency where he alone is the arbiter of what remains secret, and I suspect he has a pretty black and white view of things: big governments, bad; plucky leftist internet interests, good. The former have little to no right to secrecy, while the latter have all that they themselves deem necessary. The hypocrisy, here, is on full display.
There has been a lot written about the failure of large organizations, governmental and non-governmental, to adapt to the internet age. But the more I look at internet-age organizations, they more it looks as if they too can't quite figure out how they themselves fit into the world. I was reminded of a friend who spoke with some executives at Google and asked why they posted this or that image of U.S. military installations on Google Earth. "Hey," the answer came back, "information wants to be free."
Okay, my friend asked, then why don't you publish the exact locations of your data centers? His question was met with nervous laughter.
At the moment, the street-view imagery on Google Earth is causing a controversy in Germany, where folks are less enthusiastic about their homes being photographed and put on the internet in high resolution than we Americans have been. Reading about the controversy in the FT over the weekend, I was struck by this quote from Peter Schaar, Germany's data protection chief:
I sometimes get the impression that Google in some areas still acts like the quirky garage start-up that's driven by the sheer enthusiasm of its founders.
This will be cold comfort to governments around the world, but it's becoming more and more apparent that the organizations that should feel most comfortable in the internet age are having as much trouble adjusting to it as everyone else.
What is the over/under on
What is the over/under on current or former U.S. government officials who read that sentence in today's Wall Street Journal and choked on their coffee? 2,000? 5,000?
+1
precautions are needed to do
precautions are needed to do what he's doing. good on him. it has brought many people together I now know of you and wish you a good life & that of family & friends glad to know you!
I do believe, Abu, that
I do believe, Abu, that you've set up a false equivalency here. The information WikiLeaks and Google publishes is not stuff that was freely promulgated by the U.S. government, et al. Indeed, the victims of the leaks devoutly wish the information was still secret. If someone wants to see who donates to WikiLeaks, or know where the Google servers are, then let him do some digging.
Whowzy. I did not chime in
Whowzy. I did not chime in for the last post about putting a label on the Mid-east wars. Here is a little discussion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_war_in_Iraq . Not sure why we have to put labels on things , guess it makes it easier to write about. I am more concerned about how to find a solution so we can get out of the mess rather than find a way to make the whole thing politically correct to write papers about. World has it's hand out and the US of A keeps putting money into it. Keep hearing on the news that Americans can not afford to go shopping all the time, we are a little in debt. Does that concept extend to US of A's foreign policy ? How deep has Pak's neighbors dug in their pockets to help in the flood? China? UAE? India? (manufacturing center, oil revenue, manufacturing/technology respectively US of A is giving this guys our jobs and money). Geez use to be "I got Commies" then "I got terrorists" and now it sounds like the latest need for foreigns aid is "I got global warming". Where does it end? Maybe it is time to focus the discussion on how to end it rather than what it is.
Saw your update for the "defining the wars" and then I saw the discussion on transparency. One hand washes the other. You have an open forum and you can not control the content. The ground zero discussion knits in to defining the war as much as 9/11 defines the begining. Might take a clue from the guys what we are fighting they think it is a "Holy War". Look at the discussion to find your definition. It is a Sectarian War, like the Internet, our modern world has only one boundary and that is the ionosphere. With that said, not all mosques radicalize, but in the universe of mosques some do radicalize. Which one is the mosque at ground zero going to be in this sectarian war that has no boundaries ? Not sure what type of war that the US of A is fighting, but the guys that we are fighting are about idealogy and they have demonstrated that the will use any and all methods to win. Open your eyes and mind. They drove a plane into the world trade center, where is the boundary to that? Think that the other side will try to influence the US of A to get what they want in the mid-east peace talks? We stupid people.
As far as Assange goes, guys like him save the DoD a lot of money on consultants. DoD found a weakness in their system. There are no secrets since the invention of the Zerox machine. Think about it. Is the DoD paying employees to come into work to lip sink Lady Gaga? What the heck is a Read/Write CD doing in a secured area? Why isn't the DoD encripting sensitive data that requires a "key" to read. Again....open your eyes and mind.
A perhaps wiser, more valid
A perhaps wiser, more valid opinion about Wikileaks:
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Wikileaks.shtml.
RH
Thanks Zak, I hadn't gotten
Thanks Zak, I hadn't gotten around to explaining the relevance...
"The ground zero discussion knits in to defining the war as much as 9/11 defines the begining. Might take a clue from the guys what we are fighting they think it is a "Holy War".
Nope. We're Academics. We search for the hidden vein of truth and require the geological breakdown of the rock that just bashed our heads in...
Anakin Muqawama, It's not
Anakin Muqawama,
It's not too late to save your soul. Get out of DC, the snake nest$$ are much worse than you think...
As far as Julian Assange and Wiki-Leaks: The Hard Left has been defined since the 60's by people ranging from a younger Christopher Hitchens to Charles Manson and Family. Julian Assange belongs to the Manson Family wing. Basically they're more bored than anything else so they might as well commit random acts of violence, arson, and sabotage. Bomb throwers by wog proxy. Helter Skelter is what he and his Wikidiots want.
Of course they don't want to risk life limb or liberty themselves...so....
And they can't do it without the respectable Progressives and Democrats to make it seem... respectable.
Open your eyes.
BTW still waiting on why put the GZVM (V for Victory!!) exactly there...560' feet away.
Open your eyes.
Because they can is not a reason for "why".
I posted this before, and
I posted this before, and you blocked it. Leak response 101--marginalizing the information and vilifying the messenger --won't work: read about the US response to the El Mozote massacre in El Salvador. Right up the coin alley. Ex-marine/ NYT man Raymond Bonner was publicly crucified by the Reagan Administration and its allies in the press. CRUCIFIED. 12 years later it turns out he was right. All in the name of the cold war.
Modern bravery in journalism isn't just embedding with an infantry unit.
"All truth passes through
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident."
Let's see, Wikileaks=
Let's see,
Wikileaks= ostensibly non-governmental organization that doesn't have an army, or a means to collect revenue by actual or tacit force. I am leaving the possibility that wikileaks could be a Chinese or foreign government operation,or a US project; I'm mean an Albino Australian named Assange, that's hack writing that is.
Federal US Government= large organization with monopoly of force, a large degree of sovereign immunity, tribal self-interest including a willingness to cover up for each other, the revolving career door of "public/private partnerships", and collects revenue by actual or tacit force.
Sorry AM, cry me a river about Uncle Sam's woes. Until wikileaks shows up at my door and tells me I must pay into a retirement system that I'll never see, give away free medicine to a bunch of fat elderly people (many of whom have smoked), pay for an increasingly dubious "defense" program, and maintain Ye Old Brothel on the Potomack (aka Congress), or else they will have my house or I'm off to jail, I'll find it hard to summon up any sympathy for those coffee drinkers.
Yes, we are better than most other governments. Should that be our new national motto, "hey, it could be worse, we could be those other guys!" We could put it on all our money and government buildings.
Oh yes, those poor Big
Oh yes, those poor Big Governments. WIth their vast resources and high capability for the ruination and destruction of normal lives. How dare that the proprietor of a small, maligned organization that basically lives and dies by the secrecy and safety of it's owner and small group of donors demand that the Big Governments release information to the public, oftentimes information that did not rate to be classified in the first place, while refusing to relase the very information that would lead to their own end.
We need the Alamo Scouts!
We need the Alamo Scouts!
If any government officials,
If any government officials, or bloggers for that matter, can't tell the difference between Wikileaks and a government, so much the worse for them (and if they're not merely bloggers, for us).
Julian Assange has a lot of
Julian Assange has a lot of blood on his hands. He released the names of hundreds of locals who talked to us - or talked to someone. **
If there weren't an internet, you noble leakers would be out starting forest fires at night after protesting for the Green movement by day. Or out actually flashing people instead of doing it on webcam.
And there was nothing new in those documents except those names as well as sources and methods.
What earth shattering revelation can you breathlessly report? That Astan's fucked up and hard? Wow!!
BTW this was the "Battle of Seattle" for you WikiLeaks/Internet addicted kiddies. In other words - you just basically shut yourselves down, and now that you've shown how morally retarded and ethically imbecilic you are the authorities can have a free hand with you while the citizens clap on and nod approvingly.
Interesting. We make a world where most are free of harm, want, or evil and further are free and protected and well provided.
And you freely want evil, do harm, and backstab your protectors-- in cowardly fashion as it's by proxy. All the while crying like babies that you be provided for from cradle to grave.
Ah the perversity of Human Nature. See Progressives? You just can't really change it.
Assange wants a standard of
Yes. The radical leftist notion Assange is propounding is called "privacy". And you are right, it is hypocrisy, at least if Assange thinks that the USA is a privately owned organization. (If he were to believe that USACorp is, or should be, public, then different standards might be applicable. But surely Assange cannot be that far left!) This idea of "government transparency" is only pushed by the most extreme radical fringe elements, like this whack job.
If you haven't read the
If you haven't read the email exchange between Cryptome (a whistleblower site that tends to focus on legal, illegal and grey area domestic surveillance by corporations and governments):
http://cryptome.org/wikileaks/wikileaks-leak.htm
[This is a restricted internal development mailinglist for w-i-k-i-l-e-a-k-s-.-o-r-g. Please do not mention that word directly in these discussions; refer instead to 'WL'. This list is housed at riseup.net, an activist collective in Seattle with an established lawyer and plenty of backbone.]
riseup.net was/is a front group for domestic surveillance groups organized probably along corporate lines. They were involved with, for example, the Pentagon TALON program operating in California. If you're looking for faux anarchists with a penchant for spying on anti-war protestors, iffy college groups and the like - a privatized version of COINTELPRO, most likely, than riseup.net is the place to start.
Second, Google's servers suck up ridiculous amounts of power, so they're not really that hard to find. Post 9/11 they've been more widely distributed, so that all the eggs aren't in one basket - but I imagine they have some basic security precautions. Hiding from public isn't the same as hiding from a dedicated saboteur, anyway.
This is probably a touchier topic: Google is controlled by Wall Street investment/retail banking institutions, directly linked to everyone from GoldmanSachs to ExxonMobile to TimeWarner to LockheedMartin:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=GOOG+Major+Holders
Google is a corporation out to increase profits, and they've realized that rents are more profitable than sales over the long term. The "cloud computing" model? That's just old IBM mainframe approaches - they'll own the computers, and you can rent a terminal. They'll own all the bandwidth, and the more you pay, the better your connection. They'll own all the property, and you can rent a home. A society of a small handful of "owners" who oversee a huge numbers of serfs/renters/second-class citizens - autocratic monarchism, plutocratic dictatorships - it's also called "The Saudi Arabian model," but our politicians prefer the code word "the ownership society." Good fucking luck with that wet dream - but why get upset about military installations on Google Earth? Check out Russia's old nuclear submarine yards, for example:
52°55'4.86"N
158°29'42.67"E
Regardless of Google's overly greedy behavior, Wikileaks is a front group, and that most of what they've pulled recently is just public relations nonsense. Their one interesting apparent source - Brad Manning - is now in jail, and if anyone knows what "person of interest" means - well that's code for "we have no evidence but we'd like to pin it on this guy to close the case."
As far as who set up wikileaks in the first place, that's an open question than Mr. Assange doesn't want to answer, no surprises there. However, someone has decided to try and defend him using strange exaggerations of claims on the web. This is a typical spook tactic - try and portray any critic as a "lunatic conspiracy theorist." A few example of this include claims that "CIA, Soros, Mossad" behind Wikileaks, "The true culprits (George Soros and Israel?) of 9/11" behind Wikileaks, etc. Ha - let's explain:
It's the difference between "Bush & Cheney had adequate forewarning of 9/11 to head it off and arrest the culprits, but were so incompetent and focused on other issues (Enron, the election) that they dropped the ball in a historical blunder of epic proportions." vs. "Bush & Cheney planned and executed 9/11 as justification for invading Iraq." Can you see why the latter line would be pushed, as a tactic to discredit anyone calling for the heads of Bush & Cheney & Rumsfeld for their failure to protect the U.S.?
Riseup.net was deeply involved in the now-defunct 9/11 Truth Movement, which set up dozens of websites in order to push the latter nonsensical claim, as a means of discrediting anyone who raised questions about Bush's incompetence in 2001, or the reliability of claims about Iraqi WMDs and ties to Al Qaeda. Their links to wikileaks should raise some reporter eyebrows, at least.
This Machiavellian obsession with information manipulation and domestic surveillance of political opponents is a hallmark of neocon ideology (and communist ideology, and fascist ideology). In fact, they spend so much time trying to manipulate information that they can't see the obvious threats that are right in front of their noses, and so they make epic blunders.
Can you imagine what would have happened if these drooling psychopaths had been allowed to launch a major military assault on Iran, for example? (Iran's defense minister, by the way, has now adopted Nixon's "unstable madman" foreign policy approach - "The enemy must be careful of its adventurous behaviour and not play with fire because the Islamic Republic of Iran's response would be unpredictable," IRNA quoted him as saying.)
Nobody elected Assange to
Nobody elected Assange to anything.
And if transparency means Wiki-Leak (Wiki-Assassinate) then perhaps the local Wiki Leakers can leak the names of victims of crime, witnesses, CI's ??
The Left favors it's countries enemies. It's a reflex. In this case the Taliban. They're just not man enuf to admit it.
Speaking of unmanly - see how quick he gave up Bradley Manning? Who will never breath free air again?
Wow. You are the real heroes.
lol hes a euro anarchist.
lol
hes a euro anarchist. They fight til the end.
Mwahahaha.
I still think cryptome is a much better free-info site because they have limits (beause they are adults). The choice of censorship was bad and racist in that they left the afghan guys to hang. And covered the WP story on the secret services.
The Alamo Scout Training
The Alamo Scout Training Center graduated eight six-week training classes between December 27, 1943 and September 2, 1945. Class sizes ranged from 45 to 100 men. The Alamo Scout Training Center graduated approximately 250 enlisted men and 75 officers; however, only 117 enlisted men and 21 officers were retained as Alamo Scouts.
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"Silent Warriors of World War II: The Alamo Scouts Behind Japanese Lines" by Lance Zedric
[Cross posting from Global
[Cross posting from Global Guerrillas on this one]
You do realize that the great GG Julian Assange may have fatally damaged the open source Business model, right? And the Wiki model. It's fatally dependent on a pretty much free Internet..unregulated...
Well guess what? Wikileaks screwed a whole bunch of people besides the Pentagon (who might just have some influence over the Internet, eh?). They've screwed over everyone who shared intel with the US. That's most of the Eastern Hemisphere - at least Russia, the Arab states, Pakistan, Israel, Europe, China, India, maybe even Iran. Most of those people play for keeps, and routinely filter their internet and web traffic.
Oh in case you didn't already know it, the IP types, established businesses and for that matter much of academia never liked the Wiki open source world either -they regard open source types as semi-criminal. Then there's the piracy issue for the IP types. Money involved ya know.
There's going to be a prosecution.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405274870448840457544167346088020...
And you can bet Congress will get into the act ($$) with legislation, that's IF the FCC doesn't just act by fiat.
And you know this administration and the Ruling Class in general really don't like small business, entrepreneurs, unpredictable and uncontrollable types.
They're very Corporatist in their tastes - think "Con Ed".
The wildcat freewheeling internet day is seeing the sun set.
Get ready for "Big Web" and a consolidation of the Internet.
Do you Google take Verizon as your Lawfully wedded Monopoly Spouse?
And get ready for having to get a license to surf the internet, with your IPv6 address registered with the Feds.
(PS - it doesn't help that most of the world and certainly the US still doesn't like a no chin snitch).
You can listen to Glenn
You can listen to Glenn Greenwald spew nauseating nonsense about Wikileaks being an antidote to the Washington Post - funny, if he's talking about the Priest-Arkin expose of Top Secret America, and the database of private intelligence contractors it published - a story pushed off the front Sunday pages by "Wikileak's breaking news," aka the low-level document dump that was fluffed by the New York Times, The Guardian, and Der Speigel.
Steve Berryman, Frederick Post, Spook central
Originally published July 30, 2010
Many of us understand that we live in the "clandestine activity capital" of the world, located from mid-Maryland to central Virginia. For those among us who don't bump into this underworld of "black budgets and bunkers" through their jobs or business endeavors, The Washington Post recently published a three-part investigative series called "Top Secret America" by Dana Priest and William M. Arkin.
Of course, no secrets were revealed per se, because they would not be "leaking documents," as is the case now with the Afghanistan war papers, currently in headlines. . .
What makes the "Top Secret America" series different is that it is based upon a thorough and systematic collection -- put into computer databases -- of "open source" satellite images and related documents that are freely available.
Glenn Greenwald's cheerleading for WIkileaks is just nonsense, though - the long-winded idolizing of these "heroes" is on par with Greenwald's real employer, the owners of Salon.com, that is Adobe Systems, a rather large private intelligence contractor in the Washington Post database... not alone among its clan, tho:.
HP of Palo Alto, Hitachi Ltd. of Santa Clara, Cisco Systems of San Jose, Google of Mountain View and Oracle of Redwood City are the highest-revenue local firms among the government contractors named in the Post series
I mean, Glenn is going for the Hard Sell - Glenn Greenwald is one puppet, Glenn Beck is another. Amazing that Al Jazeera would swallow the cover story so thoroughly, tho... but then, 9/11 Truth Movement people got a lot of media coverage too. Take a look at riseup.net, if you're interested in who is cooking this up.
In fact, Manning would have been better off sending the video to anyone other than Wikileaks - he probably wouldn't be in jail if he had chosen who to leak it to. Slipping it in the mail to Rolling Stone magazine would probably have been a better idea.
I also wonder what Greenwald would say if Wikileaks decided to post CAD drawings of high-explosive lens for use in ballistic-missile capable nuclear warheads? Would he cheer that too?
The sound of the weeping is
The sound of the weeping is directly related to the size of the spanking.
Heard General Petraeus trying to sell the victory to come narrative on the BBC and boy did he sound tired. Must be from swimming upstream against Wikileaks-based reports of how ISAF isn't telling us the whole truth about the strength of the Taliban.
Heard that donations for Pakistan's flooding are hurt by "donor fatigue" -- I'm sure it's got nothing to do with how the Wikileaks-based reports threw the Pak support of the Taliban in mom & pop America’s face.
Assange pwns you all.
Let's hope King Dave is
Let's hope King Dave is given an honorable out, or at least a heart attack before they make him the whipping boy.
He deserves better.
Don't you realize that
Don't you realize that Assange is just a tool to distract us from the truth about Nine Eleven!
@Twitter Tea Party
@Twitter Tea Party snarks,
How much contempt do you have to show for the most popular "party" in the country by polling and frankly for the 70% of the country that can't stand you gangsters (homosexual Eritrean etc etc ha ha) before they'll let you into Skull and Bones?
A: well keep pouring it on...but never. You're never getting in. Drop all the names and snarks you like.
BTW you should know a couple of more things: T.E.A stands for Taxed Enough Already. And you are ALL on the public line. Every dime and every second and every paycheck. Which you stole from the rest of the country to get.
But if DC and Wall Street don't like, in fact despise and are contemptuous of the rest of the country: fine. Please do secede.
Fucking traitors.
"From my window, I can see
"From my window, I can see the beautiful minaret of the Washington, D.C., mosque on Massachusetts Avenue. It is situated at the heart of the capital city's diplomatic quarter, and it is where President Bush went immediately after 9/11 to make his gesture toward the "religion of peace." A short while ago, the wife of a new ambassador told me that she had been taking her dog for a walk when a bearded man accosted her and brusquely warned her not to take the animal so close to the sacred precincts. Muslim cabdrivers in other American cities have already refused to take passengers with "unclean" canines."
http://www.slate.com/id/2264770/
I think the reason why
I think the reason why Assange keeps his donors secret is pretty obvious. The US government maintains the right to prosecute any donor - as a terrorist - who donates to any group they decide retroactively is a terrorist organization. There are a number of individuals who have given to purely humanitarian Palestinian groups - only to be prosecuted after the US government labels them as "terrorist" groups. Now the Pentagon hasn't exactly labeled Wikileaks a terrorist organization, but I think they are clearly moving in that direction. As a (hypothetical mind you) donor to Wikileaks, I certainly wouldn't want NSA or the CIA to have access to that information. Of course my life has been filled with unpleasant experiences with the seamier side of US intelligence - which I write about in my recent memoir THE MOST REVOLUTIONARY ACT: MEMOIR OF AN AMERICAN REFUGEE (www.stuartbramhall.com). At present I am living as a refugee in New Zealand.
OMG. This is what you the
OMG. This is what you the ruling class "think"?
That the broad based fronde against you is a Corporate Conspiracy?
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer?curren...
Sadistically LMAO - you are the criminal conspiracy, not America.
You're so afraid. You should be.
"It's not too late to save
"It's not too late to save your soul. Get out of DC, the snake nest$$ are much worse than you think."
"Helter Skelter is what he and his Wikidiots want."
I think Elf has a good idea of what's going on, concerning the organizational skills and communication between American born and Euro hard-line Anarchists. How the hard-line Anarchists are cultivating and manipulating those who are young, inexperienced or perhaps show the beginnings of anarchist tendencies. Foreign government clandestine organizations are probably enjoying this entire situation unfolding in the media / press, at our (U.S.A.) demise.
"McCartney then "wrote 'Helter Skelter' to be the most raucous vocal, the loudest drums, et cetera" and said he was "using the symbol of a helter skelter as a ride from the top to the bottom—the rise and fall of the Roman Empire—and this was the fall, the demise." - Miles, Barry (1997). Paul McCartney: Many Years From Now.
I noticed today that Face Book can now geographically track all its users when they log-in, no matter what their DSN or IP. How do you think this is going to effect U.S. Government employees and contractors who work in sensitive positions? I NOT a fan of Face Book. I've never had an account or used Face Book and I think social networking sites are for the narcissistic and lonely.
Are we getting to the point that, if you work for a specific organization / branch of government, you will or must be forbidden from using social networking sites like Face Book, to protect your personal privacy and your employment with the USG?
One last item, two American's and Assange supporters: Sergey Brin and Larry Page from GOOGLE.
These guys believe that "knowledge is always good, and certainly always better than ignorance", a philosophy that is summed up by Google’s motto of making all the world’s information "universally accessible and useful" and "Don't be evil".
Personally, I think the NY Times should do an interview with Brin and Page and ask them point-blank, “if they support and think what Assange has done to be good?”
Ex, I challenge you or any American accredited reporter to speak with Sergey Brin and Larry Page from GOOGLE and ask them how they see and feel about Julian Assange and Wikileaks. I bet many American's will be surprised by the answers that are received from Brin and Page. In fact, I think it would adversely effect their stock holdings and business.
These two young powerful businessman have a close friend, quite ironic to Elf's Helter Skelter theory. This friend, is an individual who works at an elite U.S. Government Agency (his last name is Manson), who's specialty is computers / information systems and actually helped Brin and Page build their Internet Servers in Northern Virginia.
You're right Elf..... Helter Skelter. Crazy as it sounds, there are people out there who who would like to cause harm and embarrass the USG, just because they don't agree with our government, our foreign policy and the way we live.
Ex, what is DOD doing to protect our electronic information? Also, how is DOD improving OPSEC?
Ex: Nice post and well put.
Ex:
Nice post and well put. In addition to the contradictions and ironies that you bring out let's not forget that this man and his small band of brothers and sisters in their zeal for the freedom of information has had at least a partial hand in ruining a young man's life (Bradley Manning) and there is another bit of irony for you too: for Manning there will be no cool-tech kid parties to attend in Stockholm or Hamburg, only bars. So much for his freedom.
gian
Can you imagine Life in
Can you imagine Life in Leavenworth Military Prison as a Traitor ??
My God. I think the kid should be given the death penalty as a mercy.
Provided Manning did not
Provided Manning did not confess and provided that he has competent representation, he has a decent chance of walking. If both are true, both sides will recognize the risk of going to trial and cut a deal, likely in single digits, with an agreement on where he will serve his sentence.
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