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I wonder if they have Bacha

I wonder if they have Bacha Bazi in N. Korea.

You've got to keep North

You've got to keep North Korea's shoemakers busy somehow.

I wonder how many soles they go through in a year drilling for marches like that...

The cheapest form of pride

The cheapest form of pride by contrast is national pride. For it betrays in the person imprisoned by it an absence of the individual qualities of which he could be proud, in favor of those he is prepared to share with so many millions. A person endowed with valuable personal merits would rather understand the defects of his own nation, and keep them constantly and clearly before his own eyes. But that poor wretch who has nothing in the world of which he can be proud, will always seize upon the crudest basis for pride, the nation to which he belongs. In so doing he commits himself to defend all the failings and foolishness which characterize it with his every word and deed.

—- Arthur Schopenhauer, Aphorismen zur Lebensweisheit, ch iv in Schopenhauers Sämmtliche Werke in fünf Bänden, vol. 4, p. 242 (S.H. transl.)

RIP 'mad' Piper Bill

RIP 'mad' Piper Bill Millen:
http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/dday+apospiper+billapos+millin+...
D- day saw him land on Sword Bridge, with only his pipes and a dagger; later he lead the capture of Pegasus bridge, still playing his pipes.

Kilts and bagpipes, under rated weapons of war: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8atKXFZefA&feature=related

I can't help but think of

I can't help but think of the Late Roman Empire.

From the Polk piece: Toward

From the Polk piece:

Toward the end of the Algerian war of independence, America had a crippling diplomatic problem: we were closely allied to France which was fighting the Algerians, but we were emotionally on the Algerian side and thought that, in any case, they would prevail. The State Department was torn apart: the European Bureau wanted to have nothing to do with the Algerians while the African Bureau was keen to recognize them. President Kennedy hit on a typical Kennedy solution: use the family. He sent Jackie Kennedy’s half brother, Hugh Auchincloss, up to New York to hang out at the UN. He had no official title, but he was to be there as a friendly presence. Identified as he was with JFK, his job was to make representatives of the Provisional Algerian Government, which had observer status at the UN, feel welcome. I wondered if some sort of adaptation might open up contacts with the Insurgents. Was there no way that at least the beginnings of foundations for future bridges might be laid? He said he doubted it.

Perhaps Professor Polk (foreign policy advisor to both John F. Kennedy and Dennis Kucinich) could dispatch his own wife, Baroness Elizabeth von Oppenheimer, to liaise with Mullah Omar. I'd advise her to bring some boys. Women for children, boys for pleasure - and the Baroness is surely too old for the former. A negotiation isn't a success unless your interlocutor leaves with a smile on his face.

The State Department, having in the last 75 years reduced most of the world to anarchy and barbarism by destroying every form of authority they don't control, has finally created its perfect antithesis: the ultimate barbarians, the Taliban. To whom an Auchincloss or a von Oppenheimer means nothing at all. Were there any Auchinclosses at al-Khaybar?

Even the Professor's great Afghan hope, Author-Mullah Zaeef, is a joke. He no doubt envisions himself, like the South Vietnamese "neutralists" in the NLF, as the premier of a new Afghanistan perched midway between East and West, barbecuing lamb with the Professor and the Baroness while praying to Mecca five times a day. In reality, the hardcore Salafis in the mountains have no doubt taken the "Westoxified" Mullah's measure. He'll end up on a lamppost like Najibullah. Shit, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually eat him.

You know what I'd love to see? I'd love to see al-Shabab let loose in the Truman Building, for just one day. I think God would love to see it too - and I'm not talking about Allah. To Maistre, the Reign of Terror was God's punishment of France's liberal ruling class for destroying their own monarchy. Surely DOS has something similar coming.

Mencius, you want to start

Mencius, you want to start with the American I.G. Farben and its relationships with Standard Oil and the Rockefellers in the 1920s and 1930s. The driving force behind the interest was twofold:

1) In the 1920s, oil scarcity was becoming an issue, and the German chemists, the best in the world, had figured out how to turn coal into gasoline, an extension of their nitrogen-to-ammonia chemistry.

2) Standard Oil had developed a massive gasoline production program, and so they cut a deal with the giant German chemical-fuel conglomerate, I.G. Farben - they would stick to petrochemicals, and Standard would stick to fuels, and they would divide up the world between them. The discovery of the East Texas oilfields merely confirmed this market split. Standard Oil began to supply the German U-boat fleet with diesel fuel.

We have all this documentation of this from war interrogation records, too - such as U-boat supply ships built by Standard Oil and sold off to Germany:

Under her present name, "Esso-Hamburg" was completed at about the end of December, 1939, at Hamburg for the Standard Oil Company. She was a tanker of 9,840 tons displacement with a carrying capacity of approximately 14,000 tons.

Standard Oil played another key role in supplying the Luftwaffe with tetraethyl lead, and the technology to make tetraethyl lead. Without that key fuel additive, the destruction of Poland would have been far more difficult. Herman Schmitz of I.G. Farben was the key contact in the transfer of 500 tons of fuel - and Schmitz had already drawn up lists of assets to seize, side by side with Hitler. These American industrialists knowingly aided Hitler in rearming Hitler for war, and they were not stopped until the Trading With The Enemy Act of 1942.

This deception was exposed on March 31, 1941 when the U.S. State Department issued a detailed report on refueling stations in Mexico and Central and South America that were suspected of furnishing oil to Italian and German merchant vessels.

mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html

The other giant oil monopoly of the day, Royal Dutch Shell, had a very large presence in Russian oil at Baku, one which was only temporarily upset by the Bolsheviks. When Stalin seized power, Baku production stabilized - the state seized power, but RDS still got to market their oil to the world. That's how Stalin was able to buy heavy machinery from the West - using foreign currency obtained from Russia's oil commodity.

Stalin had also cut a non-aggression deal with Hitler prior to the Poland invasion, one that promised him eastern Poland in exchange for cooperation - the von Ribbentrop - Molotov agreement on economic cooperation (German machinery for Russian crops) was along the same lines as Stalin's oil deal with Royal Dutch Shell. This agreement also allowed Germany to ignore the British blockade in the beginning stages of the war.

So, what you see here is a good chunk of British-American financiers and industrialists getting in bed with Soviets and Nazis because they saw the opportunity to make a buck... and then, the rest of the world had to sacrifice 50 million lives to wipe them out, a task only partially accomplished. In reality, there should have been a Nuremberg Trial for American and British industrialists who backed Hitler - but Truman was too much of a wimp.

Now, they're back at it again - conducting aggressive wars for economic gain...

Moldbug: Henry Ford was a

Moldbug: Henry Ford was a nazi, thats an open fact

Henry Ford; Lindbergh;

Henry Ford; Lindbergh; Father Coughlin; Lawrence Dennis... the common thread among American pro-fascists in the '30s is that they have nothing in common. Every one is sui generis, without party, movement or establishment. This is true of fascist movements worldwide; there is no Fascist International. Even the Germans and Japanese never cooperated well.

Realistic solutions? Now that's a long story. The basic problem is the absence of a reality-based community. Or a history-based community, which is to say the same thing. If you're wondering how America (or Afghanistan, or anywhere) could be governed in the 21st century you could do a whole lot worse than starting with this. "Time present and time past / Are both perhaps present in time future, / And time future contained in time past." Check out the powers of a Justice of the Peace in 16th-century England. Afghanistan could use some of that - so could Detroit.

And eschew all incremental steps, violent or nonviolent. As Maistre said, counterrevolution is the opposite of revolution. Symmetry is not to be expected. The basic tool of revolution is gradual agitation, creating disorder - the basic tool of counterrevolution is the instantaneous coup or regime change, creating a new order. Nothing short of regime change is worth pursuing except as a means to regime change. But what regime do you change to? Well, you don't have one, do you - so that's your first problem.

23% of Americans consider USG, a supposedly democratic regime, to be operating with their consent. How does it continue to govern? Because for the other 77%, there is no second choice.

1913 is not good enough.

1913 is not good enough. 1613 is more like it. When you're falling down a hole, climb all the way out. 1613 is harder but easier, because that way you actually solve the problem. Also, it is much easier to motivate people when you offer them a genuinely complete solution. 1913 was tried in the '20s - it didn't stick. It would stick a lot worse now.

The pre-Progressive America, post Radical Republicanism (say 1877 to 1913) had many fine qualities but was not a stable regime. It came to exist largely as a hangover from the revolutionary period of the 1850s and 1860s. Try this Google Books search: "Red Republican" pre 1900. Yes, "Red" means exactly what you think it means. From Fremont to Harding the GOP went through a left->right evolution very like the ChiComs in our own time, from revolutionary party of fitna to established party of order & commerce.

To conceal the basically disastrous results of the American system of government in the 20th century, most notably the Civil War, this era devised a powerful militaristic myth of national unity which you can see today in many 1900-era statues with muskets, eagles, etc, above plinths now covered with graffiti. Republicans have been trying to revive this myth since Harding. It won't work. It's dead Jim. You might as well try to bring back Thor-worship.

For a realistic & mostly unsympathetic look at USG in the 19th century try Ostrogorski (1910). Ostrogorski is a liberal and hence retains a small soft spot for the Union. Supplement with Lunt (1865), a Massachusetts doughface. Ostrogorski+Lunt is very depressing history but has the great merit of being, I believe, true.

So what's left? English civilization - Western (ie, Christian) civilization. Which is a lot older than 1913, and has been a lot healthier than it was in 1913. When curing cancer, cure it all the way.

Moldbug- If you want to

Moldbug-

If you want to restore 1613 you'll need more than a king - you'll need a church. Do you plan on restoring the heir of St. Peter to his rightful place in society? The problem is that the church is old - literally - the average priest age is 61 and the parishioners are not much younger. It's viable for institution to be ancient, but not its core members (and the left may signed its own death warrant when it mandatory retirement ages for university professors were struck down as age discrimination). The high Anglican church has even a smaller American presence. And I believe you are disestablishing and lustrating the unitarians. That leaves the evangelicals - hardly the material of a restoration. I guess, you could try a restoring a king without restoring a proper church, but that wouldn't be restoring 1613, no?

And of course, there are all the social laws to restore. The decadent youth need to be banned from living alone and required to live with an established family until they marry (and fornication shall be punished with the pillory). A few decades of ol' time social law should have a wonderful effect on west Baltimore.

But the bigger issue is that the West's problems are much greater than democracy. The west is facing the natural problems of highly successful civilization:

a) a demographic transition where the poor and less responsible out reproduce the rich. This is less of a problem in the U.S. but the effects are obvious in Rio or South Africa.

b) the importation of a helot class to do the real work (while the upper classes rest on their laurels and develop a culture where productivity is no longer high status)

c) successful civilizations start with a core group that has irrationally low time preference (for instance the puritans). While the irrationally low time preference does not materially benefit those who believe in it, it does make them extremely successful across generations. The 20,000 American puritans now have ~16 million descendants. But as the generations pass, there is a natural reversion to the mean, and time preference becomes rationally a lot higher.

d) generations of natural selection against violent people (who will get killed in war more, or arrested for crime more)
sucks the virility out of the people.

I'm not sure going back to 1613 solves any of these problems. The 1613 "solution" to a) was that the poor suffered much higher death rates. The anglo's of the 1600's were certainly doing b), and they were importing their helots against the will of the helots. For c), who will be the successors to ultra low time preference, anglo middle classes of the 1600's? For d), the solution is not going back to 1600, but 800. In this case, the cure is worse than the disease.

Glenn Beck would never write

Glenn Beck would never write essays in the comments area of blogs.

He'd just say stuff like "We need to restore honor" or "Obama is a Black Nazi". He's a man of few words, just strung together plentifully.

Just link to an interesting youtube video, that's all we want really.

Now NK needs to follow that

Now NK needs to follow that Philipino prison's lead by Youtubing a video of a Bollywood-style Thriller dance in one of the forced labor camps. :)

Dear Mr. Exum and CNAS,

Dear Mr. Exum and CNAS,

Please review posting: Comment by: - Comment by Mencius Moldbug on September 3, 2010 - 10:32am

Please delete this posting or contact the police. Thank you.

You all need to get laid.

You all need to get laid. Too bad craigslist took down their escort ads.

BBC 5 Sep 2010: US troops

BBC 5 Sep 2010: US troops called in' as Iraqi army base attacked

"US troops have been called in to help Iraqi forces battle insurgents who attacked an army base in Baghdad, killing seven people, security officials have told the BBC. If confirmed, it would mark the first such use of US troops since the end of US combat operations five days ago."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-11192265

Yeah, like that wasn't expected. Someone tell the U.S. press that combat troops are still active in Iraq, despite the hoopla.

Ford was a Nazi who wanted

Ford was a Nazi who wanted to export the Fuhrerprinzip to the United States, along with a lot of other American industrialists, who admired the German conglomerate model. German corporations had by that time abandoned all pretense of competition in favor of joint action - hence, all the pharma and chemical firms joined into the I.G. Farben conglomerate, the arms manufacturers were consolidated under Krupp, and steel under Flick. The heads of these conglomerates all decided to back the new Nazi Party in the early 1930s, pouring millions into their coffers, and supporting their eugenic policies (which American industrialists like Ford & Rockefeller also supported.) However, what they really liked was the idea of increasing profits by establishing state-supported monopolies (and invading other countries).

The primary mentality revolved around gaining control of international resources - that was always what the American partners of the Nazis were most interested in, as was the case for the German corporate partners of the Nazis. All those conglomerates had lists of properties around Europe that they wanted seized, and as Hitler advanced, they followed right behind.

It's also true that Rockefeller et al. wanted access to Russian (Soviet) oil, hence all their ties between Royal Dutch/Shell, the Rothschilds, and so on. Buying Soviet oil on the cheap from Stalin and selling it to fuel-starved Germany at a premium was a good way to make a buck, don't you think? Stalin got currency or machinery in exchange.

After the war, the American Nazi partners moved to protect their German corporate friends - first, by ensuring that Truman appointed weak, stupid judges to the corporate trials of the Flick, Farben and Krupp gangs, so that they wouldn't point fingers at their American partners - Standard Oil and General Motors and Ford and IBM, as well as their many lawyers and associates, such as the Harriman Brothers and Prescott Bush.

Consider Flick: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/GERflickF.htm

During the Second World War Flick became extremely wealthy by using 48,000 slave labourers from Germany's concentration camps in his various industrial enterprises. It is estimated that 80 per cent of these workers died as a result of the way they were treated during the war. Flick was found guilty of war crimes at Nuremberg in 1947 and was sentenced to seven years in prison.

By 1950 the United States was involved in fighting the Cold War. In June of that year, North Korean troops invaded South Korea. It was believed that German steel was needed for armaments for the Korean War and in October, John J. McCloy, the high commissioner in American occupied Germany, lifted the 11 million ton limitation on German steel production. McCloy also began pardoning German industrialists who had been convicted at Nuremberg. This included Fritz Ter Meer, the senior executive of I. G. Farben, the company that produced Zyklon B poison for the gas chambers. He was also Hitler's Commissioner of for Armament and War Production for the chemical industry during the war.

Seven years for working thousands of people to death - and then pardoned by McCloy, much to the dismay of Eleanor Roosevelt, though Stalin generated a LOT of propaganda off that. Talk about a slap on the wrist - but that was the deal for all the corporate backers, as the chief prosecutor laid out in his book, "The Devil's Chemists" - and that's all been confirmed by further research - see for example "Hell's Cartel" or "Hitler's Scientists" - or this news report:

How Bush's Grandfather Helped Hitler's Rise to Power

. . .the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis' plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler's rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

If it's any consolation, Mencius, there is also a good argument for Stalin to have stood for war crimes for his invasion of Finland and his non-aggression pact with the Nazis - but does the same apply to the British appeasement of Hitler's plans, which was supported by the pro-Nazi elements in Britain's notorious pre-WWII upper class? Nothing like Nazi bombing to bring the posh and the prole together, tho... and 30 million dead Russian citizens? Hard to blame Stalin for defeating the Nazis, and it's not like he was the only one playing footsie with Hitler before the war.

It's an ugly history, Mencius, on both the left on the right - but you don't want to look at the right, do you? Why is that?

GD, Your double standards

GD,

Your double standards are completely out of whack. Every American or Englishman who ever had a beer with Goering, or suggested that the Atlantic powers didn't need to conquer Germany right now, seems to have committed the Holocaust for you. Hitler had committed no mass murders in 1939. Stalin had. Meanwhile, the entire American and half the British establishment was falling deliriously in love with the Soviet experiment, which they'd sponsored from day one.

Or do you have another explanation of Point 6 of Wilson's 14? Also, google "Averell Harriman manganese" sometime if you'd like a laugh. Heck, Evans Clark, first director of Edward Filene's Century Foundation and husband of the Nation's Freda Kirchwey, was actually an employee of the Soviet Bureau for a while. (Check out his awesome Facts and Fabrications about the Soviet Union (1920)). Nobody thought there was anything wrong with a high-society swell like Clark working for the Reds - it was actually kind of cool and edgy.

So the fury of the Hisses and Achesons, at finding themselves politically persecuted in the '40s and '50s for loyally executing the policies of the President and the ruling class in the '30s (I wouldn't be surprised if Hiss had informal White House clearance for everything he did - an Alger Hiss would never rat), is entirely understandable.

By the standards you set for collaboration with the Nazis, everyone left of Father Coughlin or Lord Londonderry was a collaborator with the Soviets. Of course, by these standards, everyone to the right of these people is a Nazi, too. In fact, if you apply these standards consistently, not only is everyone in the '30s a collaborator with either the Nazis or the Soviets, but more than a few are collaborators with both.

This isn't just you, of course. These are the standards everyone uses. Your insane history of the 20th century is at least not original.

Someone needs to write a

Someone needs to write a history of what happened to the great organizations that used to thrive in this country - the Mason's, the Knights of Columbus, the various churches, etc. Why did they all decline so rapidly in the 20th century? I've heard a number of theories, but nothing that really resonates as a full explanation. As a twenty-something, the thing I still miss about college is the sense of community.

There is Putnam's Bowling Alone. But I don't believe he ascribes causality.

I would say broadly that the decline of these groups is due to their loss of genuine authority - they were often interwoven with local commercial networks, so that membership conferred a very practical advantage. In many cases, the social and commercial networks were destroyed simultaneously, as neighborhoods became physically unsafe and small business was outcompeted by megacorporations. What replaced them was, as you say, college. I do not consider this an acausal change, although to call it coordinated would be going too far.

But what about the non-religious middle and lower middle classes? These are the people who are economically productive, but suffer from the 60%+ divorce rates and thus produce a steady stream of children who slip into the lumpen-proletariat. Do you require this class to attend some sort of church on Sundays?

How many of these folks are entirely without religious identity? Fewer than you think, I suspect. There are a lot of lapsed believers out there - jack Mormons, bad Catholics and the like. I've seen the decaying culture of the American heartland - I see nothing wrong with restoring it by force. Even Mormonism is better than meth. Either you've made the leap into the hipster Unitarian class, or you haven't. If so you can prove it. If not, church is for people like you.

Yet what percent of Americans in DOD or DOS are even aware of what Afghanistan was like in the 50's?

What percent of Americans are even aware of what America was like in the '50s? I saw a photo essay in San Francisco magazine a while back of some of SF's worst black neighborhoods in 1961. Third Street: open storefronts, nice cars, men and women dressed better than anyone dresses today... in 2010, I wouldn't go there day or night.

Well Devin as Mencius

Well Devin as Mencius indicates those were local community organizations. When the local community is destroyed - essentially by a emerging Predator State and the descent of the ruling classes into truly looting the nation-- before the late 60's that was Leftie agitprop. Starting about the 60's with the New Left it became real--starting around then the Great Lake's industrial region, the Heartland, Camden NJ and anyone else who can make anything to include a community is gutted and destroyed. The "Behavioral Revolution" - sex, drugs, and mindless rebellion - help to break down the social order as well. You might have noticed a slight hostility to religion amongst our artistes, opinion makers and academic class as well. And religion at some level is important.

Any discussion of the 1950's and why our society had to undergo "fundamental change" will first be met the catchall countercharge of "racist".

However scratch under the real motives and you'll find: they were bored with their safe, prosperous lives. They were always more chic than radical. And when they got into power, business, and influence they looted and ruined their nations with a speed and thoroughness that would be envied by Tamerlane.

The good news? We control their Golden Years, and the manner of their retirement.

@GD, I think Devin was

@GD,

I think Devin was asking about the destruction of the neighborhoods, and Mencius was talking about local groups - local to a community. You may be projecting your - well frankly anti-corporate and anti-neocon Jihad -onto them, and hence talking past Mencius. Unless you think local Rotarians, Kiwanis, the Knights of Columbus and the local Churches are or were controlled by Corporate Boards. Or the "NeoCons".

I don't think you do.

"Nobody walks away this time." Yes they do, and they should. We don't prosecute the party out of power here, that's why we have elections instead of coups and revolutions. That's why Bush let Clinton off the hook, why Ford pardoned Nixon, why Truman didn't prosecute most of the Red Spies exposed to US intel in the 40's...

Unsatisfying to the vengeful, but better for all of us.

BTW would tying Germany to us with Trade, and to Great Britain with Trade been such a bad idea? Mencius is right, the mass murders didn't really get going until the SS hit the Eastern Front. By that time Hitler was at war with the Allies -including us in all but name. The two key elements of Bretton Woods were stable money and more or less free trade.
It bought a ruined world 25 years of peace and prosperity. How were we to really know how mad Hitler was?

War crimes are war crimes,

War crimes are war crimes, Elf.

War crime#1: Invention of false pretenses to launch a war of aggression.
Exhibit A: British Intelligence Dossier on Iraq's WMDs
Exhibit B: Colin Powell's speech at the UN and the intelligence reports it was based on.
Exhibit C: George Bush's SOU speech and the intelligence reports it was based on.
Exhibit D: The extensive record of public statements made to the media by Rumsfeld and Cheney.

Yes, Saddam was a bad guy - but he was just as bad when Rumsfeld went to meet with him in the early 1980s - he was just more obedient back then. In any case, consider the following parable:

A tale of woe

Let's say you've got a really bad neighbor - he's always beating his wife and kids, and one time he broke into another neighbor's house and stole some stuff, for which he served a few years in prison, but now he's back home, and still beating the wife and kids.

Enough is enough, you decide - he might break into your house, and anyway, why should that guy have such a nice property? He doesn't deserve it. He's a bad guy. He should be got rid of, period.

So, you tool up with a shotgun and a few grenades and kick his door down - he fires his pistol back at you, and you throw in a grenade. This kills him and his wife, and sets the house on fire, but the three kids manage to escape with light injuries.

Now, it's time for some victory celebrations! The house will have to be rebuilt, the kids will need someone to take care of them, but hey, Mission Accomplished! The kids, on the other hand, seem all pissed off about something - ungrateful brats, aren't they? "I miss my mommy - why didn't you just arrest him?" - boo hoo hoo. You're now free! Yes, some eggs had to be broken, but those were just the birth pangs of a new Middle East. Look - we even have jobs for you, making shoes! Ever hear of Nike? They're cool! Here, take this glue - just ignore that odor - and seal this part to that part. Good, good - now, say "Thank You, Sir, For Setting Us Free." Yes, you will need a legal guardian for some time - a Regent shall be appointed, Paul Bremer by name, corporate ripoffs are his game...

You know, when King Leopold took over the Congo, slaughtering half the population and raping the rest, he did it under the guise of a "program of development and improvement." He was a progressive, too.

GD, you really need to

GD, you really need to consider applying your talents, whatever they may be, to something other than history. You appear to naturally lack the sense of perspective which is essential for this endeavor.

"War crimes are war crimes" - well, sure. If an American soldier steals a chicken, that's a war crime. If the "Das Reich" division liquidates the Jews of Odessa, that too is a war crime. A mountain is not a hill is not a molehill. If you cannot hold the magnification on your war-crime-o-scope stable, you will constantly be trying to sell us mosquitoes as B-1 bombers. There are those who have the talent for this, but it is not to be confused with aptitude for history.

Who here wants to lick my

Who here wants to lick my nuts?

Saudi Arabia gives out

Saudi Arabia gives out Korans for free. I spend $3.00 a gallon, fill up every 3 days. A huge percentage of my tax dollars goes to fight Islamo-fascist abroad, paid for by Saudi Arabia. My small town is unemployed and in disarray, because we have to keep these bastards at bay.

Guess what I'm going to do with all the free Korans, I've procured from the Saudi embassy? I'm going to rip out the 8 and 9 suras first, wipe my wet poop with these pages and then burn the rest on 9/11. We will never forget. Down with Saudi, support Syria!!! (they ban the ninja niqabs from their schools)