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Quote of the Weekend
September 10, 2010 | Posted by Abu Muqawama - 6:12pm | 55 Comments
This isn't the quote itself, but a friend of mine wrote to me after reading my complaint in this New York Times Magazine article:
Exum emphasized that he is not outraged by Medal of Honor or any other military shooter. But he can’t help, he says, being a little bit bothered by these games. “This is the thing,” he told me. “Point 5 percent of this country actually fights in these conflicts.” Nearly 80,000 Americans are deployed in Afghanistan, Exum said, while 2.2 million played Modern Warfare 2 on Xbox Live during a single day last fall. “There’s something annoying that most of America experiences the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which are actually taking place, through a video game,” he said.
My friend put it better than me:
These will be the first wars in which the civilians always remember where they were on 9-11 but never wondered where a bunch of tough-ass 19 year olds spent the next decade.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNdvsLh128Q (Gerd Puin)
"the early history of the Koranic text is much more of an open question than many have suspected: the text was less stable, and therefore had less authority, than has always been claimed."
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1999/01/what-is-the-koran/40...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk40dR8UpaU (Christoph Luxenberg)
"Not in the history of commentary on the Qur’ān has a work like this been produced."
http://syrcom.cua.edu/Hugoye/Vol6No1/HV6N1PRPhenixHorn.html
I'm more annoyed by the
I'm more annoyed by the self-righteousness of some of my fellow vets than of people who like to sit around, get fat, and play video games. I'm glad that we are able to prosecute these wars with only a small percentage of our country (though I'd be even happier if we had a coherent strategy that was being implemented).
No. Some of us wonder about
No. Some of us wonder about those 19 year olds - we wonder quite a bit actually. We're just not sure what to do about it. If we hang out at places like this - volunteer for charities, whatever - are we a joke to some of you?
I don't know what I'm trying to say really. I think a fair amount of people wonder but they are too shy or embarrassed to know what to do. I don't know. Maybe I'm projecting.
(How is playing a video game different from watching a movie or reading a book about war? It's all second hand and most of the time we read or watch films or play video games to entertain ourselves or be transported. That's not new.)
May I add : Everyone serving
May I add : Everyone serving in the War On terror, did so for no purpose in the end. Since the fools who sent you knew just enough to set the world on fire, but not how to put the flame out.
"spent the next decade." is more correct as "wasted the next critical decade"
Sorry for being degenerate enough to tell the truth as I see it.
I don't like video games,
I don't like video games, but I like all the free porn online, which I masturbate to 4 hours or more a day. You have a problem with that, Exum?
Fairly tired of this
Fairly tired of this sanctimonious attitude about civilians. Veterans are more or less universally respected in this society but get piqued when people play video games? What are people supposed to do? Beat the doors down at every recruiting station until the military expands to let them all in? Lobby for reinstatement of the draft?
@v36ar, "Since the fools who
@v36ar,
"Since the fools who sent you knew just enough to set the world on fire, but not how to put the flame out. "
We weren't sent, we were called by @ssholes who set the world on fire 9 years ago tomorrow. BTW in historical terms, it hardly qualifies as "setting the world on fire".
It's that they wouldn't let us put the fire out, as it would have caused fire damage.
Maybe we should apply the ROE to the DC fire dept (Hey!! Watch where you point that hose!! Water causes damage!).
But thanks for telling us we wasted our time. Go back to your purposeful degeneracy. Save the world.
And tomorrow BTW may well be the day the world is set on fire.
Well I have a problem with
Well I have a problem with Tier 3 veterans who write lousy memoirs and push for policies to send troops to wars with no goals, while they sit in some plush office in downtown DC.
There's just something annoying about that.
Which is worse: playing
Which is worse: playing video games and never serving, or serving a few years (or months) and then making a killing being a beltway bandit and milking those few years to build up your public profile as the self-sacrificing "warrior scholar"?
Re-reading this thread, my
Re-reading this thread, my comment above seems kind of aggressive. I didn't mean it to sound aggressive. It was a sincere question. Do some of us appear foolish as we try and understand a little bit better? How can we avoid that?
http://www.veteranstoday.com/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/09/10/justin-raimondo-the-‘meaning’-of-911
Jihad Watch: brought to you by the purveyors of the War on Terror.
I'd rather be a beltway
I'd rather be a beltway bandit, annoyed with video gamers. OR the other way around. But the question is who's fleecing the American people?
People who served, then left
People who served, then left to make money sending others who serve to wars without goals, annoy me greatly!!!
So you're surprised that a
So you're surprised that a higher % of the population isn't going off on optional punitive expeditions? In 1916 did Pershing's troops complain that only .00067% of the population were looking for Pancho Villa?
It's time to realize that the Iraq and Afghanistan are doing damage to the US. Apart from raids aimed at AQ in Afghanistan neither should have been launched. The fewer people and less resources involved the better.
One of the worst things to come from the war on terror will be having to listen to vets complain about how they are unappreciated, no one else went, and "they were there man" for the next six decades.
The very worst may be imbeciles like Glenn Beck using vets for their own purposes by pretending that the US military is somehow disrespected or "not fully resourced".
We've become a nation of
We've become a nation of whining victims.
Our fate the fault of others.
We are unloved, unappreciated, scorned by this or that imagined oppressor despite all that we do.
It's very very tragic, indeed.
And so very very personally painful.
Man, get off your high
Man, get off your high horse. You have blood in your hands for sending people to wars of no benefit to us as a nation. And you have the audacity to voice your annoyance of my children? I'm glad, all they'll see in combat is a video game, I'd be damn if I let you send them to pointless wars!!!
You're taking the audacity of hope too far. I'm sure there are parents out there with dead kids, who wish their 19 yr olds stayed to play video games or soccer or go to college or worked in their local hardware store, instead of going to your pointless wars!!!
Not sure where your friend
Not sure where your friend is coming from Exum.
Think a lot of people have remembered a lot of beginnings of wars then forgot who fought them. Took a long time for the Korean Vets to get their memorial. Lot of folks remember where they were at Dec7 1941. WW2 was hard to forget. A lot of people tried to forget Vietnam for a long time after 1975 and I don't think a lot of those guys got their parade cause of the peaceniks at home would not let them have one. Bet'cha a few people remember where they were at on 2Aug64 (Gulf of Tonkin). Or how about 23Jan68, where did those guys go? http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/on-this-day/On-this-Day--USS-Pueblo-... . There ship is on display here, http://www.mishalov.com/pueblo.html if you can get there.
Most the guys that were in Vietnam were "available".
Welcome to the age of twitter. Tweat today gone tomorrow.
Disposable.
AM: Once more, absolutely
AM:
Once more, absolutely not apropos to the discussion at hand - probably even more so than before - but...
Bricks and Mortar Clientelism: Sectarianism and the Logics of Welfare Allocation in Lebanon
Melani Cammett
Sukriti Issar
World Politics, Volume 62, Number 3, July 2010, pp. 381-421
Best
ADTS
Remember that article this
Remember that article this summer in the NYTimes about the soldier serving in Iraq who is now without limbs? The first quad amputee to survive? I do. It was amazing and God bless him.
However, he would have been better off sticking with Xbox video games.
But I'm sure Ahmed Chalabi, Tom Friedman, Nuri al-Maliki and Doug Feith are grateful for his service.
Remember 9/11 by studying
Remember 9/11 by studying the culture of your enemy:
http://tv.muxlim.com/channel/miss_chief/videos?series_id=535&page=2
This documentary from Antony Thomas - a past Emmy award winner for his documentary work - took on the challenge of bringing a history and explanation of the Qur'an through examining its actual text and providing comment from a wide selection of observers on its meaning.
You ever read "Ender's
You ever read "Ender's Game"? Same thing.
Between Sec Gates calling
Between Sec Gates calling people to stop them from burning a certain book and now Gates is trying to buy up ten thousand copies of the book "Operation Dark Heart," by an Army reservist, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, so the Pentagon can burn them.....have our government officials lost their mind? WTF is going on?
Between Sec Gates calling
Between Sec Gates calling people to stop them from burning a certain book and now Gates is trying to buy up ten thousand copies of the book "Operation Dark Heart," by an Army reservist, Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer, so the Pentagon can burn them.....have our government officials lost their mind? WTF is going on?
Bottom line: Everything
Bottom line:
Everything about society today is, "What have you done for me lately". Its is about money not people.
Off shored? That must have hurt.
Over 50? Good luck getting work, your a health care liability. (Yes, age discrimination is alive and well)
Under 20? Better drop $50 large to get your four years. America does not manufacture anymore.
Got a job? I don't care about the $100 million you made for me last year, "What have you done for me lately?"
We are a performance driven society with the goal being more money that we know what to do with.
McCrystal, enjoy your $300,000+/ yr retirement.
Fifty Generals at JSCOM, you too.
CEO's at defense contractors, life is great.
Pakistan's leaders, no problem.
Karsai and friends, yours is waiting in Dubai.
Obama yours is on the way $400,000 + secret service + health care / yr....and all that you can rake in doing speaking events.
Equal opprotunity.
Here is the reality. Go to a college based job fair. One hundred name brand companies, plus a few armed service recruiters. The armed service recruiters will be the least busy in the whole bunch. Couple of reasons. 1) For three years the kids have listened to how wrong the war is with some boycotting armed services all together(our campus completely shut down hiring at the Corp of Engineers). Our college campuses are far left instituions. 2) Armed Service jobs are considered dead ends. The kids want the bucks and perks that the companies are offering. At one time a hot college grad could get a sport car as a hiring bonus. 3) The kids do what they learn at home and what their friends are doing. School career counselors push jobs with a lot of flash and sparkle.
Military service does not really pay until your get to the higher ranks and not everyone can be a General.
We stopped teaching our children in the 1950's "Be all you can be". Ever since the 1960's it is all about, "Get all you can get". Kids learn at home and our homes are as broken as our society.
Exum, you are talking about
Exum, you are talking about Honoring one's country and belief.
For the past fifty years Americans have been attacking themselves and what they believe in. Slowly chipping away at our history and what we think is right for a "new normal".
Think about it. Go have with sex with your same sex neighbor, it is the "normal" thing to do. Raise children or recruit? Where I was raised, that did not fit too well into the Bible. People did that stuff behind closed doors. Today they do it in their front yard and smoke marijuana afterwards.
And you want people to join the military to protect the right to butt fuck someone? When you start giving protections for sexual preference in hiring and constitutional rights, it really does not inspire one to fight for it.
Where is the honor? Tear apart what I believe in then tell me to protect it?
How many American flags have
How many American flags have we seen burned in Muslim countries?
How many leaders have we heard say it is wrong to burn a Qur'an?, an American Flag?
At least Muslims stand up and fight for what they believe in.
Getting tired of our American leaders telling us it is wrong to think what we believe. Burning a Qur'an and moving the location of a Mosque is hate mongering, but burning an American flag or flying an airliner into the world trade center is not. The double standard is getting a little tiring. This "new normal" garbage is getting newly old fast.
There is no secret that the last seras in the Quran can be interperted as being non-peaceful, proof of that is Al Queda. There is linkage between Al Queda and the symbols the NY mosque and Terry Jones Qur'an book burning represent, they are hard to seperate. America is not at war with Muslims as a whole, only the ones that take a radical view of the Qur'an.
When Terry Jones says that there is something wrong here, he is really saying that we have the "tail wagging the dog". Burning the Qur'an is about attacking those people that have a radical interpretation of the last suras. Jones equates the Qur'an as evil, I can not think of anything more evil than an interpretation of a holy book that gives people the idea to fly an airline into a building. When Americans ask that a Mosque location be moved it is not a constitutional crisis; you can not yell fire in a theater there are limits. If Muslims can not sort out the radicals within their ranks, then the American public can not either, "Please move your Mosque".
I am not going to apologize for not wanting Radical Muslims praying at ground zero. I am not going to say it is wrong for Terry Jones to burn the part of the Quran that Radical Muslims consider to be a war chant.
I can say one thing.
If the Qur'an is truely the word of God, then live and follow the word of God. Be peaceful.
............other wise both the Bible and the Qur'an are nothing but kindling, both are the word of God.
Please be thoughtful, burning the American flag is the absolute ultimate insult to an American (even if my President does not think so). If you don't want your book burnt, please don't burn my flag. America is at war with RADICAL MUSLIMS, I am not going to spin it. Obama, it has nothing to do with your economy, it is about what is right and wrong.
Do any of you guys know if
Do any of you guys know if SNLII has a blog or contributes to one regularly? This one's starting to suck ass bad.
@Honor: "Where is the
@Honor: "Where is the honor? Tear apart what I believe in then tell me to protect it?"
Yes well let's remember who taught the world to burn and degrade the American Flag. American kids in the 1960's.
Or as Exum would call them: "Professor?" Don't blame him, he's been fed nothing else his whole life. At least the Ivy League/govt/academic life he and the non-corrupt portion of DC seem to want.
The corrupt portion goes and steals our money, which then rolls over into grants. Some people sell out for a little, some for a lot.
However @Honor please understand: I saw these kids as part of a platoon 06/07 Iraq. Thrown into a moral sewer, berefit of leadership, able to trust no one outside the set - as Command hid in bunkers and constantly threatened to prosecute us if any killing wasn't completely according to the Harvard Law School Code Duello, and in constant danger they self organized and did the right thing . They're the best men (and women - yes we had a few girls) I've ever seen.
It was the most amazing thing I ever saw in my life, and I am proud and humbled to be part of it.
So take Heart. They are the hope. And they are the Honor. I tell you'd be proud to know them.
So no, BRENDAN Marrocco (Staten Island native) who would have been about 12/13 when it happened was not going to be content with video games. And if he was the type not only would he not have had the sand to be a grunt but he would have never had the strength to survive being a quad amputee.
Cheer up. I think the kids are about ready to take it. And I think the people will give it to them.
"But ever since the Sarrazin
"But ever since the Sarrazin case, it is clear that intimidation from the politically correct thought police of the media and the threats they issue of casting people out of society no longer work. By now the public has a highly developed instinct for fairness. "
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,716648,00.html
@ Wake Up: You should make
@ Wake Up:
You should make your experience a Disney movie. Sounds magical.
Actually,
Actually, not...
http://occident.blogspot.com/2010/09/afghanistan-quetta-shura-taliban.html
Yeah. They're offering a deal. Unconditional withdrawal.
"There’s something
"There’s something annoying that most of America experiences the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, which are actually taking place, through a video game,” he said."
Video games? I can't believe they're out playing video games! They should be at home watching cartoons like their grandparents!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEK45-_5y0s
I think it's hilarious that
I think it's hilarious that everyone is sick of Andrew Exum and his self-indulgence/righteousness. In masses, people are finally coming to their senses and seeing his true colors. It's been a long time coming. I enjoy watching the shit-show that this blog has become though. I am not even sure why it still exists. Oh wait, maybe I do.....
@ Son of a Bitch: Do you
@ Son of a Bitch:
Do you watch Glenn Beck?
Vistor @ 4.33...Don't think
Vistor @ 4.33...Don't think Popeye saved this bunch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mut8XaA_Bk0&feature=related
That generation came up with their own solution ......More sons without fathers.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Bq-DWznQ9Y&feature=related
........and it all would not have happened if Pearl Harbor never happened.
I am a son that had a father, he was on the list to invade Japan.
Our generation has 9/11. What is the solution?
All this would not have happened without 9/11. Not this blog. Not this discussion. Not a trillion dollars down a rat hole.
Time to come home. Fear is the only leverage a terrorist has, take it way. Without fear what does a terrorist do?
Exum, Here is a solution to
Exum,
Here is a solution to your problem.....
Bring the troops home. Tell the terrorist to pound sand, we don't care anymore.
Then all of us, every mother, father, and child will be in it together.
OK how does this take away
OK how does this take away the Fear a terrorist has, take away his leverage, tell them to pound sand play out?
Why do I think it means we don't respond to attacks? I saw someone the other day claim in a column that out of 310 million 3,000 doesn't mean that much.
Sen. Gary Hart said much the same thing on Jon Stewart. "We're bigger than this.."
I actually no longer see a point to the troops in Astan or overseas, since we won't defend the sacred ground of Ground Zero from a clear Victory Mosque. Even apparently after Iago Iman Rauf made a naked threat on CNN, build it or else.
Yes bring them home. There's to be plenty of trouble here. Sadly I'm afraid the answer can't be shrug it off, water off a duck's back, we're bigger than this...
Goodbye ruling class. Your demise be not pretty nor graceful, eh? You can't help rubbing our noses in the ashes of our Sacred Dead? Not yourselves of course, but you get the "Help" to do it.
Elf, Are we any safer after
Elf,
Are we any safer after spending a trillion dollars?
The goal of the terrorist is to use our system to harm us from within and we are letting them have their way with us. Look at the panty bomber, look at Gitmo, look at all the twists and turns this problem has taken.....they have us fighting ourselves. All they have to do is sit on their backsides and let us do their work for them.
Everyone will have to find their own answer to security. It is one of our inablienable rights. None of us carry a cop around in our pockets and you're more likely to get mugged in a large city.
Right now we have a bad case of Chicken Little Syndrome. Terrorists can light their dick on fire in a plane and we have a national breakdown. Part of the problem is that our politicians have to save face, no one wants to be a Napolitino. Look at what happened with Shirley Sherrod, our government leaders are worse than Keystone Cops.
If we bring the troops home....FBI, Police, NSA, patriot act is not going to end. Military will still do counter terrorism. It will be up to the American people to keep the security from going insane to the point of losing our rights.
If Muslims are the people Obama says they are, they can help by handing their problems to police.
Do what the Israelis have
Do what the Israelis have done put up a wall, keep them out. Leave the Muslim world. Engage China, Russia, Brazil and India. Fuck those goat humping Muslim idiots. That way our kids can play video games again, get back into doing science, be more competitive, so we can fight China, et al. The Muslim problem is a money pit.
To answer visitor, we bought
To answer visitor, we bought you 7 safe years. The last 18 mos not quite so safe, but nothing like 9/11 or the life of an Iraqi or a Belfast resident.
You're right. We are responsible for our own security. But we have to take it, the way were starting to take back the rest of the government.
Our domestic security, because we have deluded ourselves as to the nature of the enemy and what animates them, is in a shambles. If you can't name the enemy, even when he's jumping up and down yelling "Allah Akbar" your going to have to strip search everyone.
But it's over for Astan. Go look at the academic pissing contest on the next post. Just as well. With the Victory Mosque there's no more point in resisting off our soil. But don't worry AM and the rest of the Mad snarking crowd. You have done something along with your champion of the Sharia compliant First Amendment - Iman Iago Rauf.
You've woken the Beast. Who knows he has no Bush, no Rudy, no Darth Cheney to turn to. It's on him.
Sadly enough, he's also Othello. The enemy is Takfiri Hip Hop. But I think it's too late for the nuance.
I can see this thread has
I can see this thread has devolved into the usual nonsense but I'll post anyway. A while back in the NYT atwar blog, a Yale student said that he wanted to serve, but that there was no way to do it without dedicating your entire life to it, and that even if you do want to dedicate your life to it, often you can't. He said that there was no way you could just "go to church" to serve to use the religious parallel. In a way he's right. I've tried to join the military and been rejected, once for medical and then the jag corps wasn't pleased with my GPA. I try to stay informed (by doing stuff like reading and posting here) but I know that really that is meaningless. Basically, what am I supposed to do? I feel guilty and even ashamed at having not gone to Iraq or Afghanistan while thousands of young people like me have not only gone but died there, but at the same time what exactly can a person do that will impact America's security in a substantive way? Even USAID won't just hire anyone. Often it isn't indifference, it's inability. Obviously part of this sentiment is just the aforementioned guilt talking, and I can understand why you'd be annoyed, but just keep in mind that there are many, many people who do care. Don't mistake a lack of people serving with a lack of people caring about what's happening to the kids over there dying in our name.
Mateo, Even nonsense has
Mateo,
Even nonsense has meaning, people speak the most honestly in jest.
I will put on my Dear Abby hat. Your dealing with bureaucracy. Getting a job in government work is more about who you know than what you know. Forget all the rules Federal employment will wash you out for your age (try to join the military if you're too young/old). Equal opprotunity is bunk. I have done professional interviews talking to canidates and I wish I had a dime for every canidate that got special preference cause they knew someone above my pay level.
For mid-level positions friends hire friends.
For entry level jobs, friends hire friends plus there are minimum requirements. Ever since the Internet, hiring is not local anymore. You are competing with all the people in the US. Add into that we have people coming from foreign countries looking for jobs who are the tops in their population (think of what it takes to get ahead in India, Pakistan, Japan), there is a lot of competition.
It is more about NETWORKING than anything else. Get involved with organizations or school groups. Find out who is working where and find out how they recruit.
You can do it like Exum does.....hang out in bars and by the CNAS coffee lunch room.
Security starts with being a good citizen. There are lots of good citizens who never were in the military or USAID.
Remember.....most of the people in our government where not hired, they are appointed. From the way they act some times, appointment only requires oxygen consumption.
@ Mateo. Have you considered
@ Mateo. Have you considered the Peace Corps or similar work with non-profits? Check out this development jobs page: http://www.devex.com/. Having made the jump from the Army to the non-profit sector, I can say life is a little more enjoyable. Living in SoCal beats being stationed in Kansas any day, even though I didn't mind Kansas at all.
I definitely recommend going abroad -- and that does not include western Europe, unless you're just visiting and want to hook-up with hot chics in Spain or drunk girls in London. I assume you're in college or just graduated. I'd suggest spending a few years working in China, volunteering in Africa or Latin America. Or, go someplace where no one's attention is at right now. Learn a language, live their culture. Make your own niche; be different and unconventional. Maybe you'll find something along the way that you never considered and it ends up being your calling.
Won't hurt to start a blog, too. If you're good, smart and consistent, people will notice. If go somewhere, pack light, and meet good people who will give you a free meal.
I thought my Army service would be an automatic ticket to the DC. I wanted to work in consulting, go to grad school at Georgetown or GWU and get back into government. That didn't pan out, thankfully. I work out at a small but awesome non-profit and live 30 seconds from the Pacific Ocean.
You're young and curious. Don't limit yourself to the same route everyone else takes. Unless you graduated summa from fancy school x, y or z with departmental honors for your senior thesis, get in line at the job fair with everyone else. Or, buy a one-way ticket to wherever and do your own thing. DC will always be there.
Thank you to the 2 visitors
Thank you to the 2 visitors above, I appreciate the advice (12:23 and 8:05) and the thoughtful comments.
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You've either been there or
You've either been there or you haven't. It would appear that most of these commenters, much like America, haven't been there.
If a veteran, of any war, isn't sanctimonious, he's either a politician or a poser, or both.
You know what I want from civilians? 99% of the time, it's to stop talking. That's it.
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