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Regular readers of this blog know how much I enjoyed my friend Mike Horowitz's ground-breaking new book on military innovation and diffusion, a field of inquiry in which I have a lot of interest. Mike is a professor at my alma mater and one of the brightest young American thinkers in security studies. When he visited CNAS a few weeks ago to walk the staff through his new book, I asked him if he would mind sitting down to discuss the book, political science in the United States, and the future of warfare with the blog. Since I once managed to get the two of us into the Red Sox dugout to chat with Terry Francona for an hour before a game against the Orioles, Mike, a Massachusetts native, agreed.
1. Okay, briefly, explain your adoption-capacity theory. What is it, and what does it explain?
Adoption capacity theory is the term I use to explain the way that financial and organizational constraints shape the realm of the possible for both national militaries and non-state actors, thus influencing the strategies they choose when facing a new military innovation. Drawing on research from the business world, economics, and political science, I argue that you can use the relative financial and organizational requirements for adopting new innovations to explain both the way a particular innovation is likely to spread throughout the international system and the way individual states will respond. So what’s the takeaway for the real world? New military innovations that require high levels of financial investments to adopt tend to help the rich get richer – if adoption means integrating new, expensive capital platforms, pre-existing powerful actors will do very well. In contrast, innovations requiring a large degree of organizational change can be profoundly disruptive to existing powers. The organizational routines they’ve developed to help them master previous technologies or methods of force employment can become a virtual albatross that holds them back while newer and more nimble actors take advantage. These are the types of innovations more likely to usher in dangerous power transitions or devastating military campaigns (think blitzkrieg and the Battle of France).
2. Talk us through your methodology (because we are nerds). You use a variety of methods across a number of case studies. How did you test your theory?
I used what political scientists call a “multi-method” approach. I did research on specific militaries and non-state actors, sometimes including archival work. I also used regression analysis when there were enough observations that I could look for patterns of behavior that could shed light on my argument. For example, when studying which groups adopted suicide terrorism – a military innovation for non-state actors – you have a large enough universe of terrorist groups and adopters of suicide terrorism that you can usefully employ statistical analysis (though of course you also have to do the research). On the other hand, the organizational practices associated with using aircraft carriers to project power only spread to a very small number of countries over time. Thus, for that chapter I focused on case studies and simple descriptive statistics. For me, the key is trying to ask an interesting question and then figuring out which methods or methods will work best to answer that question, rather than picking the method (quantitative, game theory, qualitative, etc.) first.
3. You argue at the end of the book that your theory explains the behavior of non-state actors as well. A few questions related to that conclusion and motivated by my own curiosity and interests:
a. Violent non-state actors are necessarily secretive. They do not publish a QDR or a budget, much less a task organization chart. So how can we describe them in terms of your theory if we cannot answer basic questions about their finances and organizational dynamics?
b. You argue that ties between violent non-state actors helps determine the spread of suicide tactics. But how do we explain groups who have contact with non-state actors which employ suicide tactics who do NOT themselves adopt suicide tactics. So a connection between Hamas and Hizballah helps explain the migration of suicide tactics to the Palestinian territories -- I understand that. But how do we explain why other groups that have had contact with Hizballah -- the PFLP, Amal, FARC, etc. -- have in large part NOT adopted suicide tactics?
c. Individuals rarely serve in multiple armies of nation-states these days. So a guy in the U.S. Army is unlikely to have served in, say, the French Army as well. But that's not the case with non-state actors. Imad Mughniyeh got his start in Fatah. Hassan Nasrallah got his start in Amal. Are the divisions between violent non-state actors in a place like southern Lebanon not less clear than the divisions between state militaries? And does that then complicate the effect of "ties" between groups?
Hey, great question(s) – and you bring up a lot of key issues I try to think about. One of the goals of my book is to take topics that are often studied in isolation – nuclear weapons, naval warfare, and suicide terrorism, and explain how some common processes actually govern the way new military innovations spread (or don’t spread) and what that means. Terrorist groups, like national militaries, face budgetary pressures and have organizational hierarchies. They have ways of doing business that invest prestige in particular members and create organizational veto points if someone wants to change things up. Thus, at a conceptual level, adoption capacity constraints influence how terrorist groups behave. Whether we can get enough evidence to actually observe that, which your first question gets at, is a different story. Some factors, such as whether a group uses suicide terrorism or how long it has been in existence (organizational age), are observable. There are also some groups, such as the PIRA, where we have a lot of information about their organizational dynamics. In other cases, it’s more difficult, and harder to make a definitive ruling about whether the theory holds. I’m ok with that, though, since my theory seems to work pretty well for the cases where we do have enough information.
I argue that two factors primarily explain who adopted and who failed to adopt suicide terrorism. First, those groups that lacked established operational profiles prior to the beginning of the suicide terror era found adopting suicide terror much easier than more experienced groups. “Younger” groups did not have pre-set critical tasks and organizational veto points that would have made adoption more organizationally challenging. Second, those groups that were plugged into what amounted to a religiously-motivated network of terrorist groups were also significantly more likely to adopt suicide terror. Clearly, other factors matter as well, which is why some of the groups exposed to Hezbollah did not adopt suicide bombings (though even Amal did at one point). In my case studies and statistical analysis, I try to control for some of the other ideological, geographic, and contextual factors that explain why some groups decided to use suicide bombings but others did not. Essentially, being plugged into groups like Hezbollah that have adopted suicide terror makes a group significantly more likely to adopt, but that doesn’t mean it’s determinative. By the way, the FARC is fascinating in this regard. Kalyvas, who you have been known to reference, and Sánchez-Cuenca argue that the FARC did, in fact, use suicide terror once. Others are not so sure.
You make a great point about the possibility for individuals to serve in several different violent non-state groups. Tracking individuals like that is one way to evaluate ties between groups – or evidence of splintering within a group. That raises the bar for doing research on links between terrorist groups. There is a lot of uncertainty out there, so the best you can do is be honest when describing the limitations of your work and places where others can build on it to do a better job.
4. What does your research say, if anything, about the future of war? It's going to be all counterinsurgency, all the time, isn't it?
Absolutely. Nothing to see here. All COIN all the time. Right up until the time when an adversary UCAV shoots an F-22 out of the sky. Adoption capacity theory actually suggests that the United States military may face some serious challenges over the next generation. If innovations come about that undermine the importance of capital intense platforms such as carriers, fighters, and bombers, the United States will have its work cut out for it. The organizational expertise the US built up over time to fight based on those platforms could make it harder to shift towards, for example, UCAVs (unmanned combat aerial vehicles), war in the cyber realm, or other new areas. The trick is maintaining a high level of organizational capital, through acts such as funding basic research & development and encouraging experimentation, so that the US military is able to adapt rapidly when necessary. Fundamentally, I’m optimistic about the ability of the United States to do what is necessary to maintain its conventional military edge; I just think we can’t take it for granted.
5. You're one of the leading young lights in the field of security studies. How do you feel about the way in which your academic field is interacting with the policy community? Is your relevance increasing or decreasing in terms of policy?
Aww, shucks. In all seriousness, many people worry a lot about the irrelevance of political science to the policy community. I tend to be reasonably bullish about it in the medium-term, actually. I think there is a great deal of interest among the rising generation of scholars in doing methodologically sound social science on international security topics with policy relevance. The more that occurs—and I think it will occur in greater numbers over time—the more “relevant” international relations scholarship will become. On the other side, there is the question of the willingness of the policy community to listen when scholars do more policy relevant work, but I’ll leave that one to you.
6. Born on the gritty streets of Lexington, Massachusetts, you now live in my second American hometown of Philadelphia. What are the five best bars in Center City and in West Philadelphia?
I’m a proud son of the birthplace of American liberty, but Philadelphia is a pretty awesome place to live. There are so many good bars and restaurants that it is hard to choose, but my personal favorite is run by some bartenders who got sick of taking orders and decided to hang out their own shingle. It’s called Jose Pistolas and it’s on 15th between Locust and Spruce. It has solid food, a great micro-brew beer selection, and terrific bartenders—ask for Casey. My favorite bar for cocktails is Southwark, down at 4th and Bainbridge. It’s the best place I’ve found for classic cocktails in Philly (think Aviation or Old Fashioned, not Appletini). Smith’s, which is on 19th between Market and Chestnut, has to be on the list. It’s one of the only places in Philly where degenerate New England Patriots fans like myself can get together on Sunday’s to cheer on the Pats. The Resurrection Ale House, in my new neighborhood (Graduate Hospital), offers a great beer selection and tremendous fried chicken (don’t believe me, ask Bon Appétit). I’ll wrap up the list with Monk’s, a Philly institution at 16th and Spruce featuring an enormous selection of Belgian beers. And now I’m hungry.
Thanks for all of the questions and the opportunity to get the word out about my book!
Thank you, Mike. DC readers can see Mike talk about his new book on Monday at the CSIS. Details can be found via Mike's website or by following the hyperlinks. And you can buy the book itself here in paperback and here on Kindle.
AM, Can't you just video
AM,
Can't you just video tape these interviews and upload them on youtube. It's so much more efficient to listen and watch these interviews.
All of this is meant to be
All of this is meant to be respectful:
1) dangerous power transitions (Gilpin) or devastating military campaigns (offense-defense balance) - any other tie-ins to "high" IR theory?
2) You say you're bullish on the relevance of IR theory to the real world. What *specific* policy prescriptions does your theory (or do your theories) suggest?
3) My fun question: given the state of IR literature: do you think you can successfully publish a book from a top university press in IR that does not utilize mixed (which I see used more than multi, and which I laugh at because it reminds me of mixed martial arts) methods? I think the answer is yes, but I'd be interested to get your take on it.
4) Simple question, because it was somewhat hard for me to glean from AM's interview, probably/and because your theory (admirably) looks complex (and this mirrors a question I once heard John Mearsheimer ask Fareed Zakari after the latter spoke for 40 minutes straight on *his* then-new book, so you're in good company): what's your theory? What are the independent, intervening, and dependent variables?
Looks like great work, and far from the capacity of my gray matter to generate (not being modest).
Again, respectfully
ADTS
@ ADTS: 1. I'm not sure what
@ ADTS:
1. I'm not sure what you mean by "high" IR theory, but if you mean what I think you mean, I'm not crazy about it. This isn't a book designed to promote realism or liberalism or constructivism, or whatever. And that stuff is so 1980s anyways. My book is designed to explain how new military innovations diffuse throughout the international system and the consequences for international politics. I think you are right to noticed the link to work on power transitions (I cite Gilpin a great deal). However, this is not an offense-defense balance book. And it's more a book about the way organizations use technologies than about the technologies themselves.
2. As I say in the Q&A, I think my theory suggests more spending on basic defense R&D, more experimentation, etc., to keep the US military as flexible as possible for an uncertain future. In general though, I think there is a difference between policy relevance and having specific policy prescriptions. I think there used to be an artificial distinction between doing work that was policy relevant in international security and doing work that was methodologically sophisticated (for a variety of bad reasons). I think that distinction is breaking down with the younger generation of scholars. Also, policy analysis and political science are both great, and they are related, but they are two different things. And that's ok. For example, a study of the factors that main counterinsurgency campaigns more or less likely to succeed might not lead to specific policy outputs, but it's policy relevant.
3. Yes. Absolutely. I don't think work using only one method is necessarily any better or worse than multi-method word. I just like using multiple methods since it tends to be helpful for answering the questions I like to ask.
4. I think I encapsulated most of it in my answer to AM's first question, but here are two takeaways, very quickly. First, the financial and organizational requirements for adopting new military innovations play a large role in determining both the strategies states (and non-state actors, when relevant) choose when responding to those innovations *and* the pattern of diffusion in the international system in general. Second, you can predict the impact on the balance of power, especially, by understanding those same adoption requirements. Higher financial requirements tend to reinforce the balance of power, while higher organizational requirements can be especially disruptive. If you want the micro-details or how I measured stuff, how this fits with other literature, why this isn't an offense-defense balance book, etc., please feel free to email me. AM provided a link to my web page, which has the relevant info.
I've read your comments on this blog before. You seem wicked smart, so I'm sure you could (or maybe already have) write a book way better than mine.
OK, enough with the mutual
OK, enough with the mutual beef jerking. ewww.
@ Michael Horowitz: 1)
@ Michael Horowitz:
1) Thanks for the detailed response.
2) It's always great when a resident or native of the NE uses the word "wicked."
3) In re: 4, you did. I guess what I had in mind was something akin to a verbal arrow diagram: this is my antecedent condition, this is my IV (eg, financial capacity and organizational capacity: high/low), this is my IV, this is my DV (diffusion: successful/unsuccessful), etc. But a blog isn't a defense committee or a manuscript reviewer, so rest easy.
Congratulations on the book.
ADTS
@ ADTS Oh I see what you
@ ADTS
Oh I see what you mean. Draw two circles. Label one "financial intensity" and one "organizational capital". Then draw an arrow from each of them to a third circle and label that one "rate and extent of diffusion". then draw an arrow from the third circle to a fourth one and label it "consequences for international politics"
"Essentially, being plugged
"Essentially, being plugged into groups like Hezbollah that have adopted suicide terror makes a group significantly more likely to adopt, but that doesn’t mean it’s determinative. By the way, the FARC is fascinating in this regard. Kalyvas, who you have been known to reference, and Sánchez-Cuenca argue that the FARC did, in fact, use suicide terror once. Others are not so sure."
I think that was the only real-world example to be found in that long-winded but substance-free discussion, correct?
What's the end purpose? Has
What's the end purpose?
Has Adoption capacity theory been applied or is it something that lives in a University or book?
Doing the linear regression and the statistics how many degrees of freedom do you need in order to get your arms around the answer? This blog has touched on the discussion and it is a little mystic to apply mathematics to human emotion. Add in choosen strategy and tatics and you have a very variable system which takes me to .....
Why are you considering only military inovations for organizations with deep pockets? Yup USA has aircraft carriers, but they also have the Christians In Action (department of sneaky petes). For organizations that can go technical, they can also choose to use primitive choices or go political. Policy making does not include poli-sci? You are just working in the wrong department.
Not to be rude...But when you're just a poor dumb fuck and all you have is your religion and a grenade the choice is pretty clear if you want to make a statement. Enough dumb fucks see others getting attention, why not go for it! Not a lot of science in that. Think about it, how many Paris Hilton wanabees we got in the USA? Problems is to make dumb fucks faster than grenades. Then there are the guys that pay attention to the people telling the dumb fucks what to do, they see that the guy in control lives longer and has more money to spend. Darwin was right. Consider this and how about this inovation. Not the first time that inovation has been used to gather intel. As for the deep pocket orginaztion the hydrogen bomb and mutual distruction is a form of terrorism, too scary to think of doing.
Oh man, you forgot me
Oh man, you forgot me Serious Reader........
It was my best role ya HOO.
What am I, chopped liver? I
What am I, chopped liver? I was in that dugout, too!!
(Also, please don't inflate Mikey's ego. It takes R and I weeks to undo the damage.)
Philly.... a city that has
Philly.... a city that has lost itself and doesn't embrace it's rich history.
Speaking of bars and Philly... Ask Mr. Michael Horowitz what happened to the Tun Tavern and why the city has done nothing to celebrate / remember it. Not even a plaque or road marker.
Disgraceful...
I'd also suggest the pork
I'd also suggest the pork belly sandwich at Resurrection. Incredible. Don't miss Grace Tavern's burgers, either.
Wait, am I on the right blog?
Getting the feeling that the
Getting the feeling that the theory lives in a book, someone is selling books.
Adoption capacity theory is
Adoption capacity theory is the term I use to explain the way that financial and organizational constraints shape the realm of the possible for both national militaries and non-state actors, thus influencing the strategies they choose when facing a new military innovation. Drawing on research from the business world, economics, and political science, I argue that you can use the relative financial and organizational requirements for adopting new innovations to explain both the way a particular innovation is likely to spread throughout the international system and the way individual states will respond. So what’s the takeaway for the real world? New military innovations that require high levels of financial investments to adopt tend to help the rich get richer – if adoption means integrating new, expensive capital platforms, pre-existing powerful actors will do very well. In contrast, innovations requiring a large degree of organizational change can be profoundly disruptive to existing powers. The organizational routines they’ve developed to help them master previous technologies or methods of force employment can become a virtual albatross that holds them back while newer and more nimble actors take advantage.
The French have a wonderful term for this Powerpointese: langue du bois. Historically, stylized discourse is a strong semiotic marker for highly-civilized cultural and political systems in late decline. Compare, for instance, to the letters of Sidonius Apollinaris. Or the speeches of Brezhnev. Or the memorials of the Dowager Empress Tsu-Hsi.
My guess is that at least one American professor will still be emitting his langue du bois as dark, smelly people with rags on their heads drag him from his office by his hair and shave his neck for ritual slaughter. Allah, or whoever, delights ten thousand times in the heads of professors. There's a theory that all religions are originally derived from human sacrifice - traces of which are easily observed, for instance, in early Judaism. Perhaps they terminate that way as well. James Burnham was not the only one to see a hidden death wish in academic liberalism. The Russian, Shafarevich, remarks on the same tendency.
Anyone notice that the
Anyone notice that the vaunted "J" Street got caught taking money from George Blofield Goldfinger Soros?
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/09/j-street-down-the-ra...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE3g0i2rz4w&feature=player_embedded
Go Green, or we'll explode your head.
How about this
How about this one
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/01/AR201010...
Here is a quiz:
We have had record foreclosures for how long? People have been bitching about getting their current mortgages re-financed under government stimulus programs for how long?
All of a sudden we can not get the legal beagle paper right.....How many lawyers do the banks have on the payroll.?
srewsnA....
First question....about 2yrs.
Second question....about 1 yr.
Third question.....Herds of lawyers, they are always a step a head of Congress on new regulations. Surprised us on the credit card laws didn't they.
Conclusion: MID- TERM ELECTIONS. Bad timing boys.
Stink-o-meter............(min _________****MAXed out)................guess it pays to control congress and Washington. How much free press is Obama getting these days for the Democrats running in Congress?
If a President is not running for office he should not be spending my tax dollars using government resources (AF 1, Secret Service,,,,etc, etc , etc) trying to move the vote to his party..........aren't there laws against that for Congressmen?
Remember Sherley Sherrod? In
Remember Sherley Sherrod?
In keeping with this blogs policy.....
http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/01/new.jersey.student.suicide/index.html
This is getting way too much attention in the press. It was a sad day, yes it was.
Shouldn' t the issue ONLY be about PRIVACY ?
Is this ONLY BAD when it happens to homosexuals? Do we meet with HETRO groups after college kids act badly and film their friends in the buff?
Sorry to muck up your blog...I get the same feeling about DADT.
Where are my rights not to have this stuck in my face? Sometimes I get that enviromental COIN feeling with social issue these days.....we use to have the freedom to disagree. Maybe we need a "hate" law for those that attack those who disagree.
Get more flies with honey. Right? COIN law. I use to look the other way, until someone made it an issue.
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