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Monday Morning Open Thread: Wars and the Service Chiefs
Anyone who has been watching the war in Afghanistan for the past two years knows that ISAF, having focused on southern Afghanistan for the past 18 months, now aspires to shift its focus to Afghanistan's east, where the war has been underresourced and where, in contrast to southern Afghanistan, the Taliban has been gaining momentum. Speak to any commanders on the ground, and they will tell you that if they have their way (and on account of its complexity), eastern Afghanistan will be the last place from which conventional western forces will withdraw in 2013 and 2014.
Helmand Province, where the drug trade intersects with both inter-tribal rivalries and a binary conflict between the insurgency and the government, is a wickedly complex place to wage counterinsurgency operations.* Eastern Afghanistan is, in many ways, even more complicated. The conflict -- which one French commander recently described as "a series of mini-wars" -- often differs from valley to valley, making local knowledge and intelligent commanders all the more valuable.
Which is why I do not understand why the U.S. Army is not making better use of two men widely regarded as being among the most talented battalion commanders to have fought in eastern Afghanistan over the past four years. One was just passed over for brigade command, most likely due to his branch (Armor). Another is rotating out of brigade command prior to his unit's deployment to Afghanistan because the U.S. Army does not believe brigade commanders should be in command for too long. (Both of these officers would be mortified to read their names on this blog, so they will go unnamed. And though I know both officers, I have not spoken with either of them about these circumstances, so if you're in the Pentagon and are reading this, know that people are not griping to bloggers.)
In both cases, the U.S. Army might well be making a decision in the best interests of the U.S. Army as an institution.** But neither decision makes sense in terms of the war in Afghanistan, where it makes the most sense to send officers with experience in regions of Afghanistan back to those same regions.
Here's the question for the readership that I hope will kick off an interesting debate: by removing the service chiefs from any responsibility for fighting the nation's wars, have we created a system whereby the incentives and motivations of the service chiefs are different than those of the commanders in the field? A service chief, for example, is by role and responsibility more worried about managing an officer's timeline and ensuring as many people as possible get the chance to command and less worried about winning a war -- not because he is unpatriotic but because that's not how he is graded. A field commander, by contrast, doesn't give a rat's behind about officer timelines and promotion pipelines -- he just wants to get the best team on the field.
Who do you think? Am I right? Wrong? Is there something I am missing?
*For more on Helmand, check out the journalist Tom Coughlan's excellent chapter in Antonio Giustozzi's Decoding the New Taliban: Insights from the Afghan Field.
**Although, and despite my initial training as an infantry officer, I personally think the U.S. Army needs to realize there are other branches beside the infantry and that the armor and field artillery branches in particular have been really squeezed for opportunities to command at the brigade level. I personally do not think an infantry officer needs to command a BCT comprised of mostly infantrymen if the officer selected -- be he an armor or field artillery or, hell, chemical corps officer has proven himself as a combat leader and has attributes that lead his superiors to believe he would be effective in the field.)
"U.S. Army might well be
"U.S. Army might well be making a decision in the best interests of the U.S. Army as an institution.."
Well it's more like a dysfunctional Corporation in Garrison (which is pretty much CONUS and especially DC).
The Service Chiefs removed from reality and pursuing their own agendas: welcome to Human Nature.
Remember when I said we needed to get rid of the Pentagon because the Regional Commands make it a duplication of effort? In Business or any growing and successful enterprise that's basic.
"The Biggest Office Building in the World" -- that should be an embarrassing secret, not a point of pride.
So you get the biggest water cooler politics in the World, or at least this side of Brussels.
Opinion from an Observer
Opinion from an Observer
I've always thought that in the military and law enforcement fields, the farther senior leadership gets from the street/field, the more political, and less in-touch with the needs of the grunts they become. What can you do? They have a boss to answer to and that boss is even farther away from the man in the arena!
Do you think COIN, specifically in eastern Afghanistan, would be better managed by Special Forces (and I'm being specific to US Army SF)? Obviously we need Infantry BOG to take and hold terrain, but it seems to me that the civic action, diplomatic, Psyops, and UW pieces are a natural fit for SF. Let a senior SF commander be the land-owner and have conventional light infantry in support of HIS efforts to kill the enemy and win the hearts and minds campaign.
Of course the problem with this great plan is the same problem under the surface of your final paragraph: Infantry (conventional combat arms) leadership will never give up their institutional grip on decision/policy-making.
You're really dealing here
You're really dealing here with the problem of inertia.
Inertia is best thought of as a powerful, living thing that must be managed, and sometimes fought, in an active way. The Army (and the other services) are institutions with decades of custom behind them. In the abstract there are very good arguments to be made that normal, peacetime rationales for rotating officers in command to broaden their experience and prepare them for higher rank should yield to the immediate needs of an active war. In practice, and as AM suggests in the main post here, everyone in the Army knows (or at least feels) that the Afghanistan war will not last forever and the Army will still be around when it ends.
Vietnam didn't last forever, either. Nor did Panama, the Gulf War, the containment of Saddam Hussein, or the war in Iraq. The Army endured through them all, in large part by maintaining its commitment to developing officers over an extended period of time rather than "using them up" to help it get past individual crises. The downside to this -- evident long before now -- is that some pretty inadequate commanders get inappropriate combat command assignments. Just look at the very highest level of combat command in Iraq. Was David Petraeus, the hero of the surge, really that much better a general in 2007 than he was in 2003? Did it make sense to rotate two "qualified" but less imaginative generals through the Iraq command before turning, in desperation, to Petraeus after the situation had deteriorated beyond repair?
The point here isn't that "the system" is malevolent in some way, or that the Army has sinned by not running the Iraq and Afghan wars the way Gen. Marshall would have. When Marshall ran the Army, "the system" did not exist; put another way, he did not have to contend with institutional inertia in the same way the Army does now. The point is instead that inertia must be recognized and fought to prevent it from overpowering the arguments for doing something different, whether that be giving unusual assignments to sharp officers from the wrong branch or passing over senior officers who can fill a position but can't win a war.
I don't think this is necessarily a function of a service chief's role in making assignments. It may be more a product of our having the wrong officers serving at the head of the Army, and of the inadequate guidance they got from the civilian leadership as to the urgency of the wars America has been fighting. Very frankly, also, I've been thinking of how the logic of inertia applies to the war in Afghanistan itself. If we're there because we're there, and have got to be there in the future because we're there now, the case for urgency in command assignments and other matters has got to be much harder to make within the Army.
"ensuring as many people as
"ensuring as many people as possible get the chance to command and less worried about winning a war"
Edward Luttwak's The Pentagon and the Art of War explains how the army became so over officered. Basically staff positions were created to hide the extra combat experienced company grade officers made surplus by the draw down after WW2 and assumed would be needed soon for WW 3. The other option was some sort of 1/2 pay system which wasn't politically feasible. The problem was the system soon forgot that the job that Captain "X" was doing was make work as were his supervisors.
The simple answer is to reduce the number of officers that need career managing. Extending field force command tour lengths to three years would achieve a reduction of 33% in the number of officers required. Fewer colonels will lead to fewer BGens and so on.
How is a service chief
How is a service chief graded? Are they or any generals graded? is it possible that in an army where everything seems to be "outstanding" or "above average" that a written report on any general wouldn't be glowing? Has the phrase "MGen Smith is a below average division commander" ever been written?
I thought it was all politics, ego, affirmative action and personnel connections at that level.
Feld Marshall Paddy Ashdown
Feld Marshall Paddy Ashdown pledges to fight to the last Amiriki:
"It is time for Europe to back a no-fly zone in Libya"
"http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/07ef3284-4daa-11e0-85e4-00144feab49a.html#axzz1GYRv9xCq"
Yes now that MQ has killed his way to victory - it can be done - now that it's over, it's time for Europe to act tough.
Here's the fundamental
Here's the fundamental tension: the Service chiefs' job is to provide trained and ready forces to the CCDRs/Joint force commanders. War is destructive to readiness by its very nature, so it's in the interest of the chiefs (and the Services) for wars to use as few forces as possible for as short a period as possible (because basically the Services' responsibility for those forces ends when they come under OPCON of the joint force cdr).
Incomplete answer, but I'll get back to this later.
Speaking of promotions, USMC
Speaking of promotions, USMC begins to cull the herd...
http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/news/2011/03/marine-hundreds-of-lieutena...
Saudi has sent troops to
Saudi has sent troops to Bahrain to put down the revolt.
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/03/14/141445.html
"Ships in harbor are safe...
"Ships in harbor are safe... but that is not what ships are for."
Service chiefs have a responsiblity to train and provide forces to regional (or field) commanders for operations. They are also supposed to advise the President and run the services. In wartime, they have a responsiblity to provide the best forces possible, for as long as possible, to win the war. In peacetime, the service chiefs' position should be penultimate, as they are responsible for preparing a force that can win the next war. In wartime, their concerns should be subordinate to those of the field commanders.
Thankfully, peacetime is the norm (though it hasn't been lately), so we often hold exalted views of service chiefs. There is a great old quote about Marines comparing the Commadant to Pope. Generals usually retire out of service chief positions (with General Jones being the notable exception). Perhaps the Chiefs need to be reminded of their subordinate position.
In Iraq, I remember discussions of optempo "breaking the force." Well, wars break armies all the time. We maintain the most capable military in the world so that we can win wars, not just make valiant efforts. Sometimes I think we have changed the way we fight wars to accomidate our outdated and troublesome personnel system.
"...be he an armor or field
"...be he an armor or field artillery or, hell, chemical corps officer ..."
Yes, gods forbid an unclean chemical corps officer take a combat command or any position of responsibility in a theater of war. Damned eggheads, what do they do except burden us with heavy protective masks and suits and cry wolf about the WMD threat. /sarcasm off
But hey, at least we can sign our name on documents instead of just putting an "X" inside a box (insert graphic representation of an infantry brigade unit here).
"I think we have changed the
"I think we have changed the way we fight wars to accomidate our outdated and troublesome personnel system."
Yes we most certainly have, because one of the top drivers of how we do everything is the personnel system.
Speaking of wich, anyone seen my last DD-314 or proof I was in Iraq? (and that was during outprocessing. fck tards).
Meanwhile AQ is coming out with it's version of COSMO.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/qaeda_new_burqa_beauty_mag_9M...
"Call it the Ladies' Home Jihad.
Al Qaeda is publishing a new women's magazine that mixes tips on skin care, beauty and fashion with the latest dish on suicide bombings and electronic jihad, The Sunday Times of London reported yesterday.
The cover of the glossy, 30-page magazine, called al Shamikha -- The Majestic Woman -- features a small picture of a burqa-clad woman and a huge photo of a gun barrel."
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But seriously folks this is sex as enticement for young sexually frustrated Muslim males who can't get laid (legitimately).
But if you blow yourself up ....bring on my virgins!!
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Maybe part of the problem is
Maybe part of the problem is how the commands in the operating force define their requirments and how the services in the generating force define the capabilities to meet those requirements. If the Army believes the requirement is X (in this case a BDE) then that means something specific. If however the requirement included commanders and senior leadership with specific experience, education and other skills then that means something different. Right now the menu does not support that.
This is true at most levels and senior leaders use relationships and other magic bullets to work around those limitations - when so inclined, or when pressured to do so. Sometimes it works out, and sometimes it fizzles.
This starts to get into the issue of "talent managment" which considers capability at an individual level vs. the broader human capital - which is oriented on the aggregate. For its part, Army is looking at how to do this better, but the Operating Force has a role to play in making the case for the resurces required to switch lenses. As long as the requirment reads "BCT" then that is exactly what they will get.
>Here's the question for the
>Here's the question for the readership that I hope will kick off an interesting debate: by removing the service chiefs from any responsibility for fighting the nation's wars, have we created a system whereby the incentives and motivations of the service chiefs are different than those of the commanders in the field?
Here's a more interesting question: what the hell are the systemic incentives and motivations of an O-10? I mean, unless he gets caught with child pornography, he'll retire as an O-10, and even if he personally shanks OBL in the liver with an American flag like Mel Gibson did in that one movie, he won't make O-11. What does he have to strive for, except maybe a shot at political office after retirement? And you know the voters won't give two shits about what kind of service chief he was-they don't have the background to discern good from bad, nor the motivation to figure it out. So, we get the Black Beret of Excellence, or whatever the flavor is this year.
The same applies to E-9's, BTW-what the hell is their systemic incentive to do good and not evil?
We will not win any wars
We will not win any wars without changing the military. It is simply broken and incapable of operating effectively the way it is set up now.
We will not win our wars until we make winning them not just our first priority, but our ONLY priority. There are people who will say "Well of course officers should go back for school and rotate out, they need that for their career." There is no sense of urgency about winning. We don't promote people who know how to win and put them in-charge. Who knows eastern Afghanistan the best? Who knows how to win? Those are the questions we should be asking. Not what branch and rank needs to go next because it is their "turn".
We should pick commanders, not because of their branch or rank, but because they are simply the best person we have who knows how to win. Until we start selecting commanders for their ability instead of where they are "in line" or whose "turn" it is to command, we will not win anywhere.
Why a BDE commander or BN commander is being rotated out is not important at all. The important question is WHO is going to command troops in combat. Did we consider a MAJ or senior CPT for BN command? How about a senior MAJ or LTC for a BDE command?
We must put people in charge who know how to win. I know another CPT who has 27 months BOG time in Afghanistan. He did 15 months on his 1st tour in Nuristan and 12 months on his 2nd tour. He went to his CCC and now he is at SF school- NOT in Afghanistan helping win the war we are fighting. According to the Army, he'll get back to the whole war thing in 2-3 years. Right now, the Army thinks he needs "professional development". That CPT should be commanding a BN in Afghanistan NOW- when we need to win. We should promote him to MAJ immediately and make him a BN commander. However, that will never happen under the current system.
We are supposed to exist to win wars- not push people through systems or processes. The concept of coming back with your shield or on it no longer applies to our Army.
We will not win any wars
We will not win any wars without changing the military. It is simply broken and incapable of operating effectively the way it is set up now.
We will not win our wars until we make winning them not just our first priority, but our ONLY priority. There are people who will say "Well of course officers should go back for school and rotate out, they need that for their career." There is no sense of urgency about winning. We don't promote people who know how to win and put them in-charge. Who knows eastern Afghanistan the best? Who knows how to win? Those are the questions we should be asking. Not what branch and rank needs to go next because it is their "turn".
We should pick commanders, not because of their branch or rank, but because they are simply the best person we have who knows how to win. Until we start selecting commanders for their ability instead of where they are "in line" or whose "turn" it is to command, we will not win anywhere.
Why a BDE commander or BN commander is being rotated out is not important at all. The important question is WHO is going to command troops in combat. Did we consider a MAJ or senior CPT for BN command? How about a senior MAJ or LTC for a BDE command?
We must put people in charge who know how to win. I know another CPT who has 27 months BOG time in Afghanistan. He did 15 months on his 1st tour in Nuristan and 12 months on his 2nd tour. He went to his CCC and now he is at SF school- NOT in Afghanistan helping win the war we are fighting. According to the Army, he'll get back to the whole war thing in 2-3 years. Right now, the Army thinks he needs "professional development". That CPT should be commanding a BN in Afghanistan NOW- when we need to win. We should promote him to MAJ immediately and make him a BN commander. However, that will never happen under the current system.
We are supposed to exist to win wars- not push people through systems or processes. The concept of coming back with your shield or on it no longer applies to our Army.
@ Carl Thomson, Like!! AM you
@ Carl Thomson,
Like!!
AM you need a [Like] button
Mullah Omar: What can I do
Mullah Omar: What can I do for you?
Taliban commander: I might quit the war unless you fund me to get my MBA so I can get a better job when I quit the war in five years.
Mullah Omar: Don't you want to defeat the infidels?
Taliban commander: Oh sure...win the war...great.... but I'd like to get my post jihad career squared away and the missus number three would prefer I spent more time in Karachi for the kids. I was hoping to get another grad degree and then hook up with a AK factory in Darra as their business development manager.
Mullah Omar is dumbfounded and shoots the commander: Next!
Carl Thompson, I have to
Carl Thompson,
I have to respectfully disagree with you on one point- several of my fellow Army Captains were great Troop Commanders, but were not ready for Squadron/Battalion command. This is not World War II, and we are not enduring 150% Casualties a year for every unit. Rather than arguing we should make a 30 year old Captain a Squadron/Battalion commander because he has been to Nuristan twice I would ask what we think we are accomplishing in Afghanistan? What is winning in that dump? Who has won a counter-insurgency with a insurgent-friendly safe zone across the border that provides weapons and training? Afghanistan is a place, not a country, has been ungovernable since Alexander, and its main exports are heroin and lunatic islamic jihadis. I think we should take everything within MLRS range of Baghram as the equivalent of war spoils, use it as a base to launch CT raids and drones, and let the Afghans get back to killing each other.
Just one scouts' thoughts.
Cav Scout- Great Job- had
Cav Scout-
Great Job- had that one as an enlisted guy.
Here is a good Cav Quote:
"Don't say it's impossible! Turn your command over to the next officer. If he can't do it, I'll find someone who can, even if I have to take him from the ranks!” – Lieutenant General Thomas "Stonewall"Jackson, Confederate Forces, Calvary Officer
The problems you mention are real, but not legitimate factors in our lack of success. I have to go back to putting people in charge who know how to win is what will make us successful. Alexander the Great had conquered the known world by age 32. James Gavin was the BG of the 82nd at age 36. Ever seen Band of Brothers? Dick Winters went from 2LT to MAJ in 4 years.
Any successful organization knows that you have to get the right people in the right place at the right time to achieve your goals. There is absolutely no reason we should be loosing right now except for our own organizational incompetence.
I've done 2 tours in eastern Afghanistan and seen the very poor command and policy decisions that are made there. I've also seen the way the Army works- no accountability and no sense of urgency about winning. We run our organization like some sort of union or social club for senior officers instead of an organization with a real mission.
The entirety of our organization exists for only one reason: to win the wars we fight, period. Every extra day we spend fighting that we don't have to is one day out of the lives of our soldiers. Every day we spend in combat is a day that we keep our soldiers on the battle field to play a deadly lottery game. From squad leader to general, we need to be able to put smart, aggressive people in charge who know how to win at their level.
The centralized promotion system has told us who will be commanders, squad leaders, etc. without regard to whether the person is competent or not. We are so hamstrung by useless procedures and regulations that we are not able to fight effectively OR efficiently anywhere under any circumstances. Point blank: We've got bad leadership. It needs to go. Talking about casualty rates is not relevant. It's not as if we suddenly started taking large numbers of casualties our leadership would suddenly become competent.
If someone doesn't think we can win, then they should fight for change that will allow us to win. Otherwise, people should resign their position and hand their duties over to someone who can. We've got too many people just sitting around and waiting for the war to end on it's own- without regard or care for the outcome. Our leadershop can do this mostly because they don't have to care- they can hide out in grad school or on a stateside assignment without getting shot at or paying for anything. The 19 year old kid who is walking patrol doesn't have that option. The American public footing the bill will not do this forever. But that is OK for most of our leadership- they will be set up with a retirement, graduate degree and job on the outside when the money runs out and the 19 year old kid isn't theirs.
@ Carl Thompson: While I
@ Carl Thompson: While I agree with much of what you say, I have to ask: what is 'win'? It does not matter how many of the right people you put in the right positions if there is no definitive understanding of 'win'. Your CPT friend with 27 months time on ground here in Afghanistan? You're probably correct in that if he were a BN CDR he would probably do a lot of great stuff. But would he win? Maybe in his AO, but a BN AO is not Afghanistan. And whether we like it or not, the US military does not get to decide on the deifnition of win in Afghanistan. This is inherently a political decision, and here necessarily multinational to very much include the Government of Afghanistan. So while I agree that the US military's personnel processes could use some significant improvement, I would not lay the blame for lack of success solely in that arena.
In short, the problem is larger than just the military.
Not that I am particularly
Not that I am particularly interested in defending the service chiefs, but...
Except for them, no one is concerned with "the next operation". The four star CJCS, CINC (to date myself), and COMISAF are all focused on "winning" (IMHO a futile endeavor in AFG, since the make or break issue is governance) the current conflict. Somebody needs to be looking down the road and taking actions to posture the military to be able to conduct the next activity.
It's very hard for a service
It's very hard for a service chief to focus on anything except his next budget. Even if they want to, nobody else wants them to. That includes the service staffs, the joint staff, the OSD staff, and congress. They all want the service chiefs to stay out of warfighting.
The answer to all your ills
The answer to all your ills in the services, my friends, is we need more diversity at the top ranks! For instance, Carl Thompson, a more diverse flag corps would certainly select more junior officers to command! Volunteer, a more diverse JCS would defiantly focus on much more than the next budget!!!!1!!1!
I don't agree with the
I don't agree with the entirety of Tim Kane's recent article in The Atlantic (Why Our Best Officers Are Leaving,
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2011/01/why-our-best-officer...), but I'd offer that Kane addresses the problem you identify with Army officer management. Simply put, the officer management system inefficiently assigns officers to billets, ignoring important concepts such as relevant experience, training, competency, etc in favor of filling billets.
As a former Chemical Officer,
As a former Chemical Officer, all I can say is thanks so much for highlighting my particular branch as the "hell, ..." most outlandish suggestion. Nice. Good times, good times...
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