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Quote of the Day
From Anne Applebaum:
...being right, even morally right, isn't everything. It is also important to be competent, to be consistent, and to be knowledgeable. It's important for your soldiers and diplomats to speak the language of the people you want to influence. It's important to understand the ethnic and tribal divisions of the place you hope to assist. Let's not repeat past mistakes...
To which I would only add that if you are morally justified to intervene but do so incompetently, the incompetence itself amounts to immoral behavior.
Here! Here! Or as the
Here! Here! Or as the RainBuffalo says on West Texas Plains, pull your head out of your ass and stop blowing smoke up ours! If you cant roll up your sleeves and help, go away.
"To which I would only add
"To which I would only add that if you are morally justified to intervene but do so incompetently, the incompetence itself amounts to immoral behavior. "
This, is the quote of the day.
"To which I would only add
"To which I would only add that if you are morally justified to intervene but do so incompetently, the incompetence itself amounts to immoral behavior. "
Gibberish.
Ex, Not to get too
Ex,
Not to get too philosophical on you, but incompetence is not, itself, immoral.
I would say that a great power attempting to do something morally right incompetently can be more harmful than a small power doing something immoral ,competently.
@12:33 Visitor It ain't
@12:33 Visitor
It ain't gibberish, its a common concept, akin to what you find in US tort law for instance. Going in as a good samaritan is great and its promoted, but if you don't use due care and make it worse, you'll get punished for it. That's the "in a nutshell explination."
http://definitions.uslegal.com/g/good-samaritans/
Of course I've now opened this thread up to PI attorney rants...
"To which I would only add
"To which I would only add that if you are morally justified to intervene but do so incompetently, the incompetence itself amounts to immoral behavior. "
Allrighty then, we have established that PC COIN is immoral, as pursuing an approach that has proven itself repeatedly and catastrophically ineffective is a clear admission of incompetence. Nice of AM to admit that at last!
No problem here Boondoggle,
No problem here Boondoggle, just tuning a little late.....
Question is does all this tort stuff align with National Interest and Security. Seems we loose all the smart stuff along the way and get stupid. Why else would the US support so many ME dictators?
So we can step on our dictator?
Given our track record of the
Given our track record of the past 4 decades, I would be a hell of lot less concerned about being morally justified to enter a conflict.....but to implement the task in an incompetent manner. I would suggest worrying about the exact opposite.
AM, Come on! Did you not
AM,
Come on! Did you not learn anything from your two favorite people?
http://bhavanajagat.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/president-richard-nixon-...
Boondoggle: Did you actually
Boondoggle: Did you actually read the link you posted?
The purpose of good Samaritan laws is to protect a well meaning helper who fouls up. The laws recognize that in trying to do the moral thing the Samaritan should be protected if his actions have been reasonable. He need not be successful.
"To which I would only add
"To which I would only add that if you are morally justified to intervene but do so incompetently, the incompetence itself amounts to immoral behavior. "
If because of you're moral justification you go in.
You hold yourself at a higher standard.
Simply by the fact that you are morally "right".
And you have to stand up to this standard, be competent.
If you do not... you do not honor the moral edge you had on your enemies, and you can't just rely on this moral edge anymore because you have not taken the means of honoring it.
Incompetence in this case is at least dangerous... if not totally immoral. Would you like a guy to come and try to reanimate you if he doesn't even know how to do it ? He could fuck you up pretty bad and kill you even before first responders arrive to you.
The intention maybe as noble as you want, but skill must never be exchanged for luck.
You have to back that up by doing things right.
On that point I'm entirely in agreement with Andrew.
Do or do not, there is no try said some little green philosopher.
I think the invasion of Iraq
I think the invasion of Iraq can be classified as immoral due to the incompetence with which it was planned and implemented, if not for the fabricated story of WMD and ties to bin Ladin. Thanks Rummy.
@ visitor 7:32 From the
@ visitor 7:32
From the article:
For example, t(h)e following is the Hawaii Good Samaritan Act
"Any person who in good faith renders emergency care, without renumeration or expectation of renumeration, at the scene of an accident or emergency to the victim of the accident or emergency shall not be liable for any civil damages resulting from the persons acts or omission, except for such damages as may result from the persons gross negligence or wanton acts or omissions."
It's not a perfect analogy, I don't think many would argue international law, to such as it exists to govern what this country does in the first place, really promotes interventions (for a bunch of completely good reasons) like good samaritan laws do, but even in the case of good samaritan laws where they DO promote intervention they don't protect the good samaritan if they act like an idiot (my personal legal term for "gross negligence").
Boondoggle: Gross negligence
Boondoggle: Gross negligence and wanton acts are above simple incompetence.
A well meaning person trying to help but failing due to his incompetence isn't acting immorally.
The immorality of an action lies principally in the motives of the actor including indifference to the likely consequences.
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