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Special Abu Muqawama Q&A with Nick Blanford

One of the biggest compliments I have received as a researcher came in the summer of 2010, when Nick Blanford, who was finishing a military history of Hezbollah, asked me to read and comment on his thousand-page manuscript. Even though Nick and I had been friends for several years, it takes a lot of trust to give someone working on a very similar subject to your own full access to your unedited work and all your sources. (I was finishing up a doctoral dissertation on Hezbollah at the time.) Now that the manuscript has been pared down to just 544 pages and published, I can tell you that if you only buy and read one book this holiday season, it should be Nick's Warriors of God: Inside Hezbollah's Thirty-Year Struggle Against Israel. Nick was in town last week, and I convinced him to participate in a question-and-answer session for the blog. I respect Nick so much that I even changed the way I transliterate Hizballah Hezbollah in his honor -- something I have only done once before, for Thomas Hegghammer

Nick, first off, thank you so much for allowing me to read this book when it was still in its unedited early drafts. It was incredibly useful to me as I finished my dissertation, and it was a rip-roaring yarn. What a fantastic story you have written. This is truly the work of a lifetime, and I have been telling people for 12 months now, when they ask me about the one book they should read on Hezbollah, that they should read your magnum opus. Tell us: how relieved are you to have this work finally published?

Thanks, Ex, for those kind words. I guess I have mixed feelings about finishing the book. It's a project that was over a decade in the making. I first began mulling a book on Hezbollah's military evolution around 1999 as the Israeli occupation was drawing to an end and the prospects of peace between Israel and Syria were looking good. If peace had been achieved, it would have led to Hezbollah's disarming. Of course, there was no peace deal and Hezbollah has only grown stronger since then. One writes to one's strengths and my intention always was to write a book telling Hezbollah's military story which has been the focus of most of my reporting from Lebanon over the past decade and a half. There are plenty of good books on Hizbullah looking at its ideology and structure, but nothing comprehensive on the "resistance" which after all is the most important component of the party. I have been lucky enough to be in a unique position for a foreign journalist to watch in microscopic detail Hizbullah's military evolution unfold in real time since the mid 1990s. I wanted to produce a book of record that had sufficient weight to interest scholars and academics in the field who hopefully will continue to find it useful 10 or 20 years down the road, but also to provide enough color, reportage and anecdote to make it accessible to a more lay audience. When I began the writing process, I assumed I would need Hezbollah's help to fill gaps in my research, but as it turned out, my problem was not finding more information but choosing what to exclude from a rapidly expanding manuscript. You, Ex, had the misfortune of being the only person who read the much longer original manuscript, which was nudging a quarter of a million words before I started cutting. Very often, a book is improved when it is trimmed down and the MS becomes tighter. I think that's the case with Warriors, but there were some elements and stories that I was sorry to leave on the cutting room floor. In particular, the family and friends of Mohammed Saad, this incredibly resourceful and interesting Amal leader in south Lebanon in the early 1980s, provided me with boxes of information, but I could only use a fraction of it in the book.

Hezbollah goes from just another crappy Lebanese militia in the early 1980s to the most feared non-state actor in the world. Briefly tell us how.

Hezbollah emerged in the early 1980s and was initially very much guided by the Iranians. It owes its creation to the Israeli invasion and occupation of Lebanon in 1982, although its leadership had been mulling establishing some form of anti-Israel resistance that followed the teachings of Ayatollah Khomeini since the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979. Hezbollah's military exploits began slowly but by the latter half of the 1990s they had come to dominate the resistance against the Israeli occupation in the south. In those days, it was fairly ramshackle, and tactics - such as human wave assaults against Israel outposts - cost them a lot of casualties. Hezbollah's "Golden Years" were in the 1990s - the second phase of the party's evolution - when with the civil war over and under the protection of Syria, Hezbollah was able to focus its activities on resistance. The Islamic Resistance was adaptive and a quick learner and it was fascinating in those days to watch them improve year-on-year. The Israeli withdrawal in 2000 marked the beginning of Hezbollah's third phase. This is where they evolved from a resourceful guerrilla group employing classic hit-and-run tactics into something that folks like you describe as a "hybrid force" - a group that employs a blend of guerrilla and conventional weapons and tactics. Hezbollah today is probably the most formidable non-state military actor in the world. Although we concentrate on Hezbollah's ever expanding arsenal of weapons, for me the most telling aspect of its evolution is its highly complex and advanced electronic warfare and communications systems.

This book focuses primarily on Hezbollah's military activities, but as you know, I always argue the non-kinetic lines of operations -- the information operations, the social services -- are as important to Hezbollah as their military operations. Do you agree?

Absolutely. Hezbollah understood the importance of hearts-and-minds very early on. In fact, it was the Iranians that introduced the concept back in 1982 when among the first things they did on arriving in the Bekaa in the summer of that year was to begin building clinics and providing basic social services along with the lectures and religious educational programs. Jihad al-Binna, Hezbollah's flagship social welfare organization, began operating in 1985. I write about this in the book and how Hezbollah has expanded the social welfare activities to create what they call a "culture of resistance". This makes it much more than simply patching up war-damaged homes, providing free education and medical aid. The community becomes part of the "resistance". Youngsters now grow up in an atmosphere of resistance, jihad, martyrdom and hostility toward Israel. Hezbollah does not accept combatants below the age of 18, but by the time a new recruit has reached the age to join the Islamic Resistance, the chances are he will have been immersed since childhood in Hezbollah's "culture of resistance", reading anti-Israeli cartoon books when he was a kid, attending religious classes and Islamic scouting camps in the school holidays. Maybe even getting some basic weapons training when a young teenager. This culture, or society, of resistance testifies to Hezbollah's long-term strategic vision. Obviously the social welfare programs, the creation of a culture of resistance and even the parliamentary presence from 1992 was intended to build up and sustain Hezbollah's base of support. However, the byproduct of this massive emotional and financial investment is that Hezbollah today has a large constituency towards which it is answerable. When you win over a sizeable percentage of the population to your side, you have to respect and satisfy their needs. That adds another layer of complexity to an organization that is ideologically tied to a country 650 miles to the east the interests of which may not always coincide with the interests of Hezbollah's Lebanese constituency.

How does a researcher like yourself even write such a book? How did you gain the incredible access you gained, and are you worried about how the book will be received among your sources?

I have access to a number of Hezbollah people who are willing to talk to me either because they have come to know me over the years or on the assurances of mutual acquaintances. These guys are not supposed to talk to me at all, of course, so I am very careful to protect their identity. Mind you, what they tell me is a fraction of what they know, but it's more than other people get. I didn't ask for Hezbollah's formal help for my research. I have a huge database of information which I have built up over the past 16 years and I have interviewed just about all Hezbollah's leadership at some time or other. Will Hezbollah like the book? I think they will like some things and won't like others. It's a controversial subject and I think there's something in there for everyone to love and hate.

This is a two part question: a) why, in your professional reason, did I kill Rafik Hariri, and b) is it true that when Hezbollah speaks of the most gifted military commander they have ever faced, they speak of me on the paintball court?

I have always felt that the Special Tribunal for Lebanon has been wasting its time examining the alleged roles of Syria and Hezbollah in Hariri's assassination. When I was researching my previous book - Killing Mr. Lebanon: The Assassination of Rafik Hariri and its Impact on the Middle East - I quickly discovered the intense rivalry and hostility between you and Hariri: the financial dealings that went sour, how he thwarted your political ambitions in Lebanon, how you stole his girlfriends. You may recall that I was planning to expose the entire plot before your lawyers threated legal action. The truth will out one day, my friend. Seriously though, the guy who spread this rumor was acting extremely irresponsibly and really should be held accountable for spreading such malicious and potentially dangerous falsehoods. As for the paintball competition, all I recall of that was you curled up on the floor pleading for mercy as the Hezbollah guys splattered you with paint pellets. Or was that me?

It was probably me. A certain H.P. Flashman has always been my role model when the bullets -- or paintball pellets -- start flying. Anyway, I always end these interviews with a few questions about food and drink. You, my friend, are a past master of the Beirut bar scene, but now that you are a family man with a beautiful wife and kids, where do you like to go in Lebanon for a nice meal?

I like the Greedy Goose because they serve locally brewed 961 beer and I meet some journo friends there once a week. I am out of touch with most bars in Beirut these days. I preferred the good old days when there were perhaps three bars in Beirut, the best of which was the Lord Kitchener which was at the back of an abandoned shopping center in Hamra and had a very laid-back speakeasy-type atmosphere and a wicked oud player. As for food, still love Le Chef, an institution. Best cafe is Cafe Younes in Hamra. I used to live above the cafe in 1995-96 when it was just a place to buy freshly ground coffee and knock back a double espresso in the morning. Otherwise, it's local cafes and restaurants dotted around the country. Eat foul in the Tyre souq. There's a brilliant sandwich place in Dar al-Wassah in the Bekaa - best labneh sandwiches in Lebanon. I also stop at Abu Rashed next to the army barracks in Marjayoun. They make terrific shish taouq. Corny though it may sound, the best meal is the one with a couple of spit roast chickens, olives, bread and with the family on a picnic somewhere high up in the mountains.

That doesn't sound corny in the least. Thanks, Nick. As for the rest of you, you know what to do: buy Nick's book here.

Books, Hizballah, Lebanon

12 comments

On your new book Tour.

On your new book Tour.

http://www.gocomics.com/doonesbury/2011/11/28

Tea. 3 cups of Tea.

I don't know that I should

I don't know that I should trust someone who has maintained such close contact with Hizbullah over the years. To gain such trust doesn't come from objective reporting that exposes the orgainzation, especially when those contacts include those in leadership positions. Exum, I have noticed that your journalist friends have a tendency to minimize Hizbullah's threat and attack their detractors. Odd.

"Knowledge of the

"Knowledge of the spirit-world is to be obtained by divination; information in natural science may be sought by inductive reasoning; the laws of the universe can be verified by mathematical calculation: but the dispositions of an enemy are ascertainable through spies and spies alone." Sun Tzu or was it Don Corleon? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YscgEcd_s-s.

Visitor on November 28, 2011 - 10:37pm someone is going to write the book.

From the discussion above, the book will underline the involvement of Iran in the region as a financial arm, nothing happens in a vacuum. If it wasn't for the money, Hezbollah would not account for much. You can not discount the popularity.

The worse part is the hazing. The Social Services thing sounds like this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hemEGjrzcnE&feature=related get'em while they are young, it is a strong model. Guess the Mickey Mouse Club is the difference between terrorism and entertainment. I never heard Walt complaining it did not work for him.

Hi Ramzi Glad you liked the

Hi Ramzi

Glad you liked the book. You will have noticed that your namesake plays a starring role in the book prior to his untimely demise in 2002. Not much to add on the CIA thing. It was a DC-sourced story. Ken Dillanian of the LAT did ask me about it when I passed through Washington, but all I could offer was a bit of background and context. Hezbollah does have an aggressive and skilled counter-intelligence unit that has been busy rolling up Israeli spy networks in conjunction with LAF mil intel. Hard to tell what level of damage, if any, the alleged spies caused to Hizb. Hizb used to have air tight security, but it has expanded so much over the years that I assume it has become easier to penetrate.

I think Hizb probably was behind the 1994 AMIA attack and the earlier Israeli embassy bombing in Buenos Aires. I mention both incidents in the book. It wasn't just cases of revenge (the embassy for Abbas Mussawi in 1992 and the AMIA building for the deaths of 40+ recruits in an air raid on a training camp) but also to bolster Hizb's deterrence. The Israelis understood after the embassy and AMIA that killing a top Hizb official was counter productive (when they killed Mussawi they got Nasrallah) and refrained from a major assassination until 2008 when Mughniyah was blown up.

http://security.blogs.cnn.com

http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/29/medal-of-honor-herosues-contrac...

Saw the twitter feed about selling PAS-13's to Pakistan.

Meyer really needs to pull back and look at the view, he lived in Kentucky for too long. America has been shipping jobs and cash to China so they can build an army. We give China technology so that we can have access to their market place. It is not just China, GE gave military jet engine technology to India in Dec2010. Jeffery Immelt was a happy camper. So happy Immelt stroked a check for a billion dollars the next week in China to expand GE Avionics. Few weeks later, the news broke on China's new stealth fighter. Pakistanis can get a H1B VISA, get a free ride at a US University (supported by US taxpayers) then go home to build the next generation PAS-13s that do not eat batteries. LWIR battery consumption is about VOx and bolometers, the higher the resolution the more current drain ( http://www.baesystems.com/BAEProd/groups/public/documents/bae_publicatio... )

Few PAS-13s, that's a joke. Not sure why America is in such a hurry to go out of business. At least they are still made in America and the US State Department is usually bright enough to keep military sales to foreign nationals a generation behind.

This administration in the past month or so has done a full court press to counter China's growth. Sometimes I think that America makes its own problems to solve.

It is about economic growth.

Buy the Made in the USA label. Support a Medal of Honor recipient.

Hi Nick Thanks for the

Hi Nick
Thanks for the response. Yes it was itneresting to read more about RN. He would make a great movie. In fact it was your obituary of RN in 2002 that inspired me to take up his moniker. Great life experience!

The lack of response to Mughniyeh's death is interesting. Assuming Israel carried it out, the fact they thought they could "get away with it" says a lot about how the "balance of deterrence" has moved since 2006. I suppose revenge could come at any time, although there is probably a window where such actions would have been deemed acceptable. After that it may be viewed by at least the non-Shia community as uneccessarily inviting Israeli reprisals.

Has Hezbollah lost any of its

Has Hezbollah lost any of its popularity with the general Arab public because they've remained steadfast allies of two of the most brutal regimes in the region? What will happen to them if Assad falls?

O Father of Lies. this is all

O Father of Lies.
this is all crap.
I told you, at least a year ago, that when muslims are DEMOCRATICALLY empowered to vote they, vote for more islam, not less, and NEVER for missionay democracy.
we could have saved a a hella lot of blood and treasure.

Assad and his toady followers

Assad and his toady followers will most likely soon fall. I'd say NATO will remove or flatten their ass in the next two month. Then if Iran even twitches, the Brits will bomb them back to the stone age. US just sold the Brits a mother-load of JDAMs. I wonder what they plan to do with them?

Nicholas Blanford's

Nicholas Blanford's credibility is questionable. His role in a fake interview (ostensibly with one of the four Hizballah members charged with killing Rafik Hariri) has yet to be fully explained.

You Hezbollah groupies are

You Hezbollah groupies are pathetic

http://www.newerahatfactory.c

http://www.newerahatfactory.com/ Stupid and more money, increase their benefits through." Wealth left behind for their children, leave more than knowledge, future generations may not be able retain wealth, but have to use knowledge to create wealth. Thus, wealth is valuable, but more valuable than the wealth of knowledge.

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