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As those of you who follow my Twitter feed know, I have been drawn into a debate between Glenn Greenwald and Will McCants about whether or not one can be a "terrorism expert." Greenwald's position, as articulated on his blog:
I had a somewhat lengthy debate on Twitter last night about the Awlaki assassination with several people often identified as “Terrorism experts” — such as Will McCants and Aaron Zelin — and they and others (such as Andrew Exum and Robert Farley) objected rather vigorously when I said I found the entire concept of “Terrorism expert” to be invalid, as it is a honorific typically assigned due to ideology and interests served rather than actual expertise. This is exactly what I meant: in U.S. political and media discourse, Terrorism means little more than: that which America’s Enemies du Jour (generally Muslim Enemies) do to it, but not what America and its allies do to anyone. Terrorism is not a real concept in which one develops “expertise”; it is, and from its introduction into world affairs always has been, a term of propaganda designed to legitimize violence by some actors while delegitimizing very similar violence by others. See the interview I conducted a couple of years ago with Remi Brulin of NYU for more on that.
Annoyingly, Greenwald has a point in both his post and in his earlier tweets. The study of "terrorism" in the United States over the past decade has been shaped by the American experience on September 11th of 2001, and when Americans speak of terrorism in the popular discourse, as Greenwald noted in a tweet, the word is often short-hand for Islamist terrorism. Travel to the United Kingdom, by contrast, and a "terrorism expert" may have done his or her field work in Northern Ireland. Travel to Spain, and an expert may have done his or her work in the Basque country. Thomas Hegghammer has written more eloquently than I about the way in which the study of both terrorism and jihadi groups has evolved in the United States after 2001, and it's only natural that the study of terrorism will be distorted by the local experience of the country or region in which the research is conducted.
But before I get side-tracked, let me break my response to Greenwald into two arguments. First, let us very briefly review the state of the literature in the study of terrorism and coercive violence. Greenwald is correct that "terrorism" has a pejorative connotation in the popular discourse. In the scholarly literature, though, terrorism has always meant something along the lines of "the threat or use of physical coercion, primarily against noncombatants, especially civilians, to create fear in order to achieve various political objectives." (O'Neill, 2005) Greenwald makes it seem as if states are never mentioned as terrorist actors, but there is a lot of literature on the use of coercive violence by states and state terrorism. Off the top of my head, I'm thinking of Schelling (1966); Mitchell, Stohl, Carleton and Lopez (1986); Kalyvas (2006); and Biddle and Friedman (2008). (I'm sure readers of this blog can think of literally dozens more examples. Please do so in the comments section.)
The literature on terrorism and terrorist groups did not spring forth on September 12, 2001. Researchers at my alma mater and elsewhere had been writing about the phenomena of terrorism and groups who use terror tactics for decades. Sometimes these researchers were doing case studies on Islamist or Palestinian groups. Sometimes they were doing case studies on Irish (PIRA) or German (RAF) groups. And sometimes they were comparing and contrasting varied groups. Walter Laqueur originally published this book, for example,
in 1977. Bruce Hoffman published this book in 1999. I'm pretty sure those two guys are terrorism experts without the scare quotes.
Second, let me consider the case of my friend Will McCants, who Greenwald very much picked on in his Twitter feed along with Aaron Zelin (who I do not know well but who seems really smart in his own right). Greenwald is correct that the decade after the September 11th attacks created all kinds of incentives for self-proclaimed terrorism "experts" to rise to the fore, hawking their "expertise" and opinions on both the consulting market as well as in the mainstream media. Too often, this expertise has been ignorant or barely concealed Islamophobia. Ironically, though, one of the scholars who has done the most to condemn what he calls "CT hucksters" is Will McCants. Will is one of the more rigorously credentialed scholars studying violent Islamist extremist groups as well as being one of the most careful. Will fell into a study of terrorism after doing a Ph.D. in Near Eastern Studies at Princeton. He had no initial academic training in strategic studies or military affairs as far as I know, but his Arabic and understanding of the intellectual currents of political Islam made him ideal to work on al-Qaeda as a case study. And just like I started a dissertation on Hizballah with a background in Middle Eastern Studies and boned up on the theories related to small wars and insurgencies as I went along, so too did Will with respect to terrorism as a phenomenon. At the end of the day, Will is best described as an Arabist, perhaps, but if he is not a bona fide terrorism expert as well -- again, no scare quotes necessary this time -- I don't know who is.
What irked me most about Greenwald's tweets and post is that he is disparaging an entire class of very reputable scholars with the allegation that the only people taken seriously as terrorism experts in the United States are taken seriously because of some media gate-keeper's ideological bias -- and not because of their study of specific terrorist groups and a phenemenon that has a deep body of peer-reviewed literature dedicated to it. Greenwald is attempting to limit and discipline the discourse in his own way. He is signaling to his readers that no true expertise on terrorism as a phenomenon exists and that those who write about it are hopelessly ideologically compromised in principio. That strikes me as close-minded intellectual bullying.
If you're going to bully people, bully the bad guys. And if you're going to make blanket judgments about entire fields of study but are not yourself an expert in that field of study, have a little humility when you do so. After all, you don't see me telling Glenn Greenwald what's what about due process or Constitutional law, do you?
John, I'm certainly no
John, I'm certainly no expert, but I do think there are some people out there who get at what you are looking for. In my experience, it often comes from the people who are sort of "on the fringes" of terrorism per se - i.e., people who are looking at things like countering violent extremism, de-radicalization, etc.
Readers of my blog probably get tired of me harping the book, but I think Tore Bjorgo and John Horgan's Leaving terrorism behind: individual and collective disengagement is a great example. Horgan's a political psychologist. Bjorgo's background is social sciences and anthropology. Their book looks at all sorts of things, from jihadist de-radicalization programs, to leaving gangs, to existing militant racist groups. Its greatest strength is its diversity.
My introduction to terrorism's definition included readings from Bhatia, Coady, Gearty, Schmid, Townshend, and Wilkinson, in addition to the previously-mentioned sources. Chomsky and Crenshaw also come to mind. There are plenty a different views out there, if you poke around a little bit.
Is it just me or did
Is it just me or did Greenwald just school this cat?
From my experience in debates, it's best not to play defense (let alone whine) too much. And frankly with Will McCants comments above we can see that alas he is defeated. He can only finger point to people disagreeing with him the same way he finger points to an islamic fundamentalist then points to himself saying that he knows all about this person and all his cohorts that practice "terrorism". What's telling is who he doesn't point to at all. It's Manichaen Caveman Auto-pilot! He bad me good. Bombing in Olso? Definitely got to be an islamist. Gotta be right? Because they are the only ones in the world who want to bomb others...I think....or at least I'm paid to think.
I must say this is the best comment thread I have ever seen. I've learned more from this comment thread than all my accumulated hours listening to "terrorism" experts on CNN and NBC.
Will McCants other than my post, which I'll admit did have snark (because, dude, are plainly wrong), the others posted GREAT insights and posts and it would do you real well to actually take a few breaths, read them, process them and really question them. The only reason this one's snarky is because you failed to listen. But what can we expect from someone whose made it this far in the media/government-vetted "terrorism" specialist field, eh?
I think....or at least I'm
I think....or at least I'm paid to think.
Doesn't mean that anyone cares or added value is created.
Has the paint finished drying yet? Zzzzzzz
BTW....Exum are you winning hearts and minds like US policy in Afghanistan?
Jesus, you people are proud of yourselves.
Greenwald correctly
Greenwald correctly criticizes the modern Terrorism Expert as just another faux-credentialed huckster chasing government money & media notoriety in an incestuous circle-jerk of self-dealing. One hand deals to the other. Lather, rinse, repeat. Then bomb some hapless 2nd- or 3rd-world country. Selectively ignore the neo-fascist 5th column in your own country and the same tendencies in your allies and friends. What a marvelous industry of influence-peddling & money-making. The only exceptions are those who look at ALL terrorists objectively (and independent of who is paying them), meaning terror past & present, foreign & domestic. And that might be who???
I think this party is more or
I think this party is more or less or over, but I was pleasantly surprised to see Chai's excellent "An Organization Economics Theory of Antigovernment Violence" can be obtained in the original (!):
http://www2.hawaii.edu/~sunki/paper/strugw.pdf
ADTS
Added a bunch to my reading
Added a bunch to my reading list, including the Chai article and a search for Yemen's blog. I've read some Horgan, but not that particular book.
"Sometimes these researchers
"Sometimes these researchers were doing case studies on Islamist or Palestinian groups." If terrorism cannot be reduced to an indication of poltiical contest, nothing more or less, than why is the state of Israel never depicted as using states-sponsored terrorism against civilians? When that happens in DC think tanks, I will be persuaded that Glenn Greenwald is overreaching.
I would defend Glenn by
I would defend Glenn by saying this: terrorism expertise is as is does, and 99% of the time that expertise is
1. overstating the threat to the US
2. setting the terminology so that what IS terrorism depends on the actor
3. calling people in other countries who fight back against our military in countries we've invaded "terrorists".
4. NEVER calling Western invaders and occupiers in the ME terrorist regardless of their actions.
1-4 evinces propaganda, not an area of study - and Mccants has engaged in all of these.
That you can point to some instances where the field is engaged in actual scholarship (including McCants) is not exculpatory considering it comprises a tiny fraction of what actually finds it's way into society, as the above is the majority of the influence that the field actually produces.
What's actually consumed and used by the media (and guides policy) is much more important and relevant, and that is 1-4 above.
An actual terrorism expert...
An actual terrorism expert... is a terrorist good at his job. A [so called or] U.S media labeled terrorist expert is actually a terrorist commentator viewing a terrorist activity and trying to commentate or interpret [in a vaccum] of an actual expert. Whatever an academist or a "former" military commentator says about an event is an observation + interpretation. whatever it is... it is not expert anything. It is an attempt at interpretation and a labeling of the event. The "other side" has all the terrorist "experts" and we have counter terrorist experts. Long live the Counter Terrorists!
Ironically, according to Amb.
Ironically, according to Amb. Peter Tomsen, former envoy to the Afghan resistance, when the ISI and bin Laden established their "jihaidst infrastructure" (military training camps) in the AfPak region, they used CIA manuals -- literally -- when training future "terrorists" (soldiers).
Terrorism 101 determine who
Terrorism 101 determine who among us is a terrorist expert by questioning whether a digressor can correctly name the Rock Stars in a particular field. The subject of terrorism has many villains, is very big, varied and is subdivided geographically. Terrorism is only terrorism if it employs murder to black mail societies into following their particular political agenda. Considering the above, anyone who writes a logical thesis on a terrorism subject can be considered to be informed, though the general consensus among the public might be that the writers are not experts because they lack experience and expertise. To give you an example of someone who is not an expert is BigSis the lesbian leader of TSA, Homeland Security, and uh yes in case you forgot....the Secret Service. BigSis is an idiot because she exhibits no common sense about terrorism, she is a Hassan political appointee who refuses to classify her subject simply by naming the enemy.. She is a renegade Christian who facilitates the terrorist infrastructure in the United States.
The MSM want to control this debate so they chose leftist so-called terrorist experts to further the Muslim-leftist alliance.
Informed readers decide who the terrorism experts are. How about we prepare a list of who the terrorist experts really are and vote on it on your website.
The Sonorian Liberation Army.....somewhere deep in the Mohave...
Umm, Walter Laqueur? If he's
Umm, Walter Laqueur? If he's not a terrorism expert I don't know who is.
Is there really such a thing
Is there really such a thing as a "terrorism expert"? Lets put that to the test using a simple question:
Consider this definition for terrorism, listed in the article:
"the threat or use of physical coercion, primarily against noncombatants, especially civilians, to create fear in order to achieve various political objectives."
Q: Using this definition (and this definition only) for what constitutes "terrorism", what is the single largest terrorist attack/event in human history?
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A: The nuking of Hiroshima
It is was the use of physical coercion (violence) against a civilians (a city) to achieve a political objective (Japanese government surrender).
Did any of the "terrorism experts" get the answer to that basic question?
I wish I'd seen this when it
I wish I'd seen this when it came out. But anyway, I read Greenwald's final Salon post and get here 5 months late. So here are my questions--
I will take your word for it that there are serious terrorism experts who do not use the term in a propagandistic way and recognize that, for example, US policy in Central America in the 80's was state sponsored terrorism--both state terrorism in Guatemala and El Salvador and support for non-state actors (the Contras) in Nicaragua. I'm not doctrinaire in my lefty beliefs, btw--the Contras had legitimate grievances and the Sandinistas committed some acts of state terror too (though on a far smaller scale compared to Salvador and Guatemala), but the Contra tactics were terrorist tactics.
So
1. Do the serious academic experts examine US support for terrorism in the same way they presumably examine, say, Syria's support for Hezbollah? If not, then Greenwald is right.
2. Suppose the serious terrorism experts do examine US support for terrorism. Then why aren't they/you screaming about the version of their field that utterly dominates the mainstream perception of it? Shouldn't you guys be just as forceful as Greenwald or Chomsky in denouncing the travesty of "terrorism experts" who turn your field into a branch of state propaganda? Seriously, if you don't do this, what good are you? Now in fairness, many climate scientists were reluctant to plunge into the media and try to correct the climate change denialists, but they've come to realize that if they don't do this then the public gets the impression that the denialists have as much evidence on their side as the serious climate researchers. So maybe you guys are like that. Well, it's your duty to get over it, to get out there in the public arena and fight against the idiots who have discredited your field in the minds of laypeople who are capable for reading an Amnesty International report.
Donald
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