December 02, 2025
Caleb Withers on the Cybersecurity Frontier in the Age of AI
Caleb Withers, research associate at the Center for a New American Security, joins Kevin Frazier, the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to discuss how frontier models shift the balance in favor of attackers in cyberspace. The two discuss how labs and governments can take steps to address these asymmetries favoring attackers, and the future of cyber warfare driven by AI agents.
Listen to the full interview on Scaling Laws.
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